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Old 08-07-2011, 12:38 PM   #1
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Got dinged with a VI last night

Hello everyone. I was travelling through Richmond last night and had to go through a road block. After answering standard questions such as if I have had anything to drink, the officer pulled me over to the side. He then proceeded to walk around my vehicle and look at the front tires.

He asked for my license and papers, went back to his car, and then issued me a box 2 VI, saying that he thinks my tires are rubbing on the wheel well, because there are marks on the tires.

I didn't argue with him and just calmly took the ticket, because I know it wouldn't have gone anywhere, but the marks were there already when I bought the tires, and I have yet to rub once on my current set up because I have my fenders rolled as well as clearance for the tires.

Regardless of all that, is there any tips anyone who has gone through this process before can share with me. I did a search and so far the things I have are:

-lowest part of car cannot exceed lowest part of rims
-Headlights cannot be lower than 56 cm.

Any other things anyone can share will be much appreciated. Thank you!

Pretty bummed that even if I pass the VI, I still have to pay for it out of my own money just to prove my car is road safe though, .
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is it the spec v in your profile youre talking about?

what did you expect with negi camber and stretched tires.....

Just call the place you plan on going and ask them what they will be looking for and what you need to change.
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I also see wheels extending beyond the body...and whatever else there is that you have done from stock that attracted attention? Maybe louder exhaust, how you did any lowering, any parts removed, non authorized lights, ground clearance, tinted windows, tinted lights etc
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No neg camber, wheels are straight and aligned, but the rims do stick past the body about quarter inch or so. The Officer said the only thing he was concerned about was the marks on the tires, and to re-attach my license plate to the original position.

No HIDs, windows tinted past rear, and no tinted lights. Is anyone aware of off the top of their head a rule of how much clearance has to be between the tires and the wheel well?

I guess tonight I'll search some ICBC approved shops that do inspections, and have some questions ready for tomorrow to ask them. Thanks for the replies, everyone !

Edit: Went to Canadian Tire by my house which is a designated store for VI's, and asked them my questions, and got the info I needed .

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No neg camber for both front and rear? That surprises me because a lot of cars come with neg camber in the rear.
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Edit: Went to Canadian Tire by my house which is a designated store for VI's, and asked them my questions, and got the info I needed .
please do share for those who don't know
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please do share for those who don't know
The guy that I talked to at the desk for the automotive department told me that they don't really look for things like wheel gap, so as long as there's no rubbing when the wheels are turned then it's alright. I also asked about how my rims are sticking out a bit from the car, and he told me that would be a fail.

To sum it up, He pretty much told me that I should put my car back to stock for whatever I could, and take it in to pass, and then afterwords if I want to risk putting all the stuff back on and getting another VI, or leaving it stock, was entirely up to me.
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I got a box 2 last month. Ended up costing me $550 in parts I had to replace.
If you got coils just raise it up to almost stock height to be sure.
I got dinged for height, tear in seatbelt which I never even noticed, missing some oem clips, blacked out sidemarkers and needed new rotors (I was planning on getting new ones this summer anyways, but had to get them on to pass)
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What is the rationale for the requirement for the fender to fully cover the top of the wheel/tire?
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What is the rationale for the requirement for the fender to fully cover the top of the wheel/tire?
I would imagine to prevent rocks or debris from being more easily deposited into the front of the vehicle behind. My jeeps have always thrown a pretty incredible amount of crap up behind me with the larger tires.
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^^ exactly.... a raised vehicle is more likely to throw shit from the tires thats why they require mudflaps.

i didnt get hassled for my poke, but honestly, how do you expect to deposit debris or rocks from a lowered car. since the car is already lowered, the fender/body itself is low enough to prevent any rocks from flying up. and if the tires are stretched, the walls that are poking out do not have threading to take in any debris to spit out.
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The guy that I talked to at the desk for the automotive department told me that they don't really look for things like wheel gap, so as long as there's no rubbing when the wheels are turned then it's alright. I also asked about how my rims are sticking out a bit from the car, and he told me that would be a fail.

To sum it up, He pretty much told me that I should put my car back to stock for whatever I could, and take it in to pass, and then afterwords if I want to risk putting all the stuff back on and getting another VI, or leaving it stock, was entirely up to me.


It's nice that he decided to 'counsel you" to break the law. I'm sure the the MV Branch would love to hear what he is planning. They would yank his inspection licence in an instant. What you are planning to do is called "fail to maintain to standards". If it passes the inspection and you reinstall the illegal mods that is what you are doing. I can see a lawyer going after the inspector for what you discussed in the case of a lawsuit resulting from a crash. Get caught and you are looking at a #1 VI, a tow and likely individual tickets for each illegal mod. Put you car back to legal, nobody said it had to be stock.
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i didnt think rim poke was illegal, i thought the tread of the tire was in question when issuing a ticket. because the tread is what can grip debris and toss it, if there is no mud flap covering the extra tread poke.
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^^... you said exactly what i said...
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Put you car back to legal, nobody said it had to be stock.
Are there really any modifications to a car that are actually legal?
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"Mudguards

7.06 Every motor vehicle, trailer and semitrailer not constructed so that the spray and splash of water and mud to the rear of the vehicle is minimized shall be equipped with mudguards and, if necessary, mudflaps.


The inspection manual says '''Reject if" : wheels not enclosed by body"...or words to that effect.
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What you are planning to do is called "fail to maintain to standards". If it passes the inspection and you reinstall the illegal mods that is what you are doing.
This is done so often its not worth berating people over.

My summer rear wheels rub at full compression, so there's rub marks way up in the wheel well behind the tire. I know it won't pass a VI, yet the rub is so minor and so far up and back I'm not worried about an officer seeing it roadside.

The problem the OP has is that the tires stick out past the fender, probably as part of the "stance" trend right now. That's not minor like my rub, that's pretty blatant to see and thus the VI. OP you need rims with a smaller offset, otherwise I can see you getting another VI in the near future.
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I wish the mudguard rule was enforced a bit harder. Might have saved me from the rock chip in my windshield from a jacked up honkey trash truck when my car was less than a month old.
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"My summer rear wheels rub at full compression, so there's rub marks way up in the wheel well behind the tire. I know it won't pass a VI, yet the rub is so minor and so far up and back I'm not worried about an officer seeing it roadside."

Personally I would be worried about what happens when the wheel gets jammed against your car body. I'm not berating people about it, simply telling anyone who really wants to info, as to what can happen if you play that game. I had 3 inspection centres loose their inspection privelages because of deliberately faulty inspections. It's unsafe and not legal. The individual inspector is also liable for a $345 ticket per faulty inspection.


"Are there really any modifications to a car that are actually legal? "

Lots of them. I upgraded my supercharger, inlet, injectors and remapped the ECR. Also added some badges, added some vinyl wrap to the roof and mirror covers...all legal. When you start cutting, removing and rendering stuff less effective than stock, you are asking for attention and for trouble.


Ditto what Great68 said about the flying stones that take out your windshield and cost you your deductable.
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"My summer rear wheels rub at full compression, so there's rub marks way up in the wheel well behind the tire. I know it won't pass a VI, yet the rub is so minor and so far up and back I'm not worried about an officer seeing it roadside."

Personally I would be worried about what happens when the wheel gets jammed against your car body. I'm not berating people about it, simply telling anyone who really wants to info, as to what can happen if you play that game.
Normally I appreciate your posts, yet the few in this thread are berating, not factual.

I'd be worried if my tires just jammed into my wheel wells too, yet if I hit something hard enough to do more than slightly rub against the plastic wheel well, then I've probably hit something hard enough to do far more damage than that.

The easy solution is to just rip the wheel well linings out, or since they are plastic just heat them up and push them in. Its not like we're driving old school muscle cars with metal wheel wells, everything today is plastic and will fail long before the wheels, tires, and suspension will.
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I thought you could have your tires stick out a certain amount? And ya, mudflaps... I should get on that.
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is it the spec v in your profile youre talking about?

what did you expect with negi camber and stretched tires.....
It still amazes me to this day... most of us here modify our cars to attract attention, forgetting completely about the "police attention" it also garners.

If you don't want to be noticed.. drive a stock car.. and drive like everyone else, instead of "to get noticed"
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[QUOTE=taylor192;7538464]This is done so often its not worth berating people over.

My summer rear wheels rub at full compression, so there's rub marks way up in the wheel well behind the tire. I know it won't pass a VI, yet the rub is so minor and so far up and back I'm not worried about an officer seeing it roadside.

The problem the OP has is that the tires stick out past the fender, probably as part of the "stance" trend right now. That's not minor like my rub, that's pretty blatant to see and thus the VI. OP you need rims with a smaller offset, otherwise I can see you getting another VI in the near future.[/QUOTE
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[B]Not to berate you, but I can't understand how any driver would not be concerned about the fact that a tyre is rubbing on the body. In my experience, tyres that rub on a car body can jam, overheat and fail. Up until this post,, my post have not been directed at you, they have been in response to questions from Goneguru. If he complains that my responses to his questions made him feel berated, then I will apologize to him in advance.[/B]
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So as long as the top of the tire is covered by the fender, the lower back parts of the tire can be exposed, correct?

I'd hate to see grannies getting dinged with VIs in their Buicks...
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