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08-17-2011, 07:18 PM
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#26 | | They let me be a moderator. LOL
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08-17-2011, 07:47 PM
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#27 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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Originally Posted by Supafly  im sure that DOT/SAE has done enough testing to say that a rebar will possible stop the engine block from sitting in your lap in the case of an avg MVA.  | haha, true enough. I was just trying to say that the JDM rebars are probably not going to injure you that much more compared to a USDM rebar. a 100kph accident is probably a diff story though.
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08-17-2011, 09:32 PM
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#28 | | What hasn't Killed me, has made me more tolerant of RS!
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Well, after long debate w/ friend that works at icbc and bodyshop.. will probably just purchase another version select front bumper that will fit the usdm rebar. Any trimming / removal / custom rebaring will make icbc fuck you over if you get into an accident by not insuring you
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08-17-2011, 09:42 PM
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#29 | | I'll never be Diggy, no matter how hard I try
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Originally Posted by Supafly I wouldn't want to be sitting in your passenger seat.....and I would pitty the fool who would.....
Do some detailed research on REBARs..then comeback at me with some knowledge. | really? you're the same guy who told me that NOT running hub rings would make my wheels fall off cause my studs would sheer right?
from NHTSA.gov Bumper Questions and Answers Quote:
1) What is a bumper?
A bumper is a shield made of steel, aluminum, rubber, or plastic that is mounted on the front and rear of a passenger car. When a low speed collision occurs, the bumper system absorbs the shock to prevent or reduce damage to the car. Some bumpers use energy absorbers or brackets and others are made with a foam cushioning material.
2) What is the purpose of bumpers?
The car bumper is designed to prevent or reduce physical damage to the front and rear ends of passenger motor vehicles in low-speed collisions. Automobile bumpers are not typically designed to be structural components that would significantly contribute to vehicle crashworthiness or occupant protection during front or rear collisions. It is not a safety feature intended to prevent or mitigate injury severity to occupants in the passenger cars. Bumpers are designed to protect the hood, trunk, grille, fuel, exhaust and cooling system as well as safety related equipment such as parking lights, headlamps and taillights in low speed collisions.
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You must be thinking of a crumple zone, right? If so, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the effects of removing a bumper beam on the front crumple zone.
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08-17-2011, 10:06 PM
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#30 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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Originally Posted by kouki_monster Well, after long debate w/ friend that works at icbc and bodyshop.. will probably just purchase another version select front bumper that will fit the usdm rebar. Any trimming / removal / custom rebaring will make icbc fuck you over if you get into an accident by not insuring you | just tell ICBC that you bought the car like that.
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08-18-2011, 06:53 AM
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#31 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by slowguy really? you're the same guy who told me that NOT running hub rings would make my wheels fall off cause my studs would sheer right?
from NHTSA.gov Bumper Questions and Answers
You must be thinking of a crumple zone, right? If so, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the effects of removing a bumper beam on the front crumple zone. |
Yea I did...you're a cheap enthusiast and like I said before, to each their own. Its obv that you can't spend an extra 100 bux for piece of mind...Id love to see you drive a luxury car thats 3x heavier and 2x faster....and run without hubrings; keep driving your car, i'd love to see your studs sheer one day when you hit a big pothole in the city; then come to revscene and post/whine about your misfortune; bitch about how the city cannot keep up with maintenance. 
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Actually read this link....theres a lot to read; and if you really want to argue safety of frontal reinforcement bars.
Hey its your car; I honestly dont care for you or your vehicle..its your lap with your motor and the newpaper print...not mine. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv...Print%2002.pdf
Read it all up to page 26. Then start reading from page 34 -on.....
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So if you have sometime and read far enough into this document, you understand Japans testing vs. Canada/US/EU testings of the Frontal Barrier. Theres time/velocity graphs to show rapid decelerations etc etc...
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08-18-2011, 09:50 AM
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The rebar is only in place to protect the VEHICLE from damages during a low speed collision IE 5km/h and lower. Any rate of speed higher then that and it has little to no effect on safety or structure.
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08-18-2011, 10:16 AM
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Can or will ICBC denie a claim if you modified/removed your front rebar?
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08-18-2011, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy Can or will ICBC denie a claim if you modified/removed your front rebar? | I'm sure they can if they wanted to. But its something the adjuster would have to be familiar with and notice right away. I mean how many JDM Front Integras have we had back in the day.
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08-18-2011, 01:55 PM
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#35 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy Can or will ICBC denie a claim if you modified/removed your front rebar? | In all my years in this industry I've never heard of it but anything is possible. And such denial would only be on low speed damages if any denial of coverages at all.
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08-18-2011, 06:03 PM
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#36 | | I'll never be Diggy, no matter how hard I try
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Originally Posted by Supafly Yea I did...you're a cheap enthusiast and like I said before, to each their own. Its obv that you can't spend an extra 100 bux for piece of mind...Id love to see you drive a luxury car thats 3x heavier and 2x faster....and run without hubrings; keep driving your car, i'd love to see your studs sheer one day when you hit a big pothole in the city; then come to revscene and post/whine about your misfortune; bitch about how the city cannot keep up with maintenance.
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Actually read this link....theres a lot to read; and if you really want to argue safety of frontal reinforcement bars.
Hey its your car; I honestly dont care for you or your vehicle..its your lap with your motor and the newpaper print...not mine. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv...Print%2002.pdf
Read it all up to page 26. Then start reading from page 34 -on.....
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So if you have sometime and read far enough into this document, you understand Japans testing vs. Canada/US/EU testings of the Frontal Barrier. Theres time/velocity graphs to show rapid decelerations etc etc... | I've been nice enough to quickly just copy and paste my points, can't you return the favour? I'll take a read when I have more time to browse through 36 pages
But I'm curious as to why they're rated at either 5, 8 or 10mph (or what have you)?
and with regards to the 3x heavier and 2x faster comment.. you drive a car that's 9600 lbs, and does (for sake of argument) 0-60 in less than 2 seconds?
So for hub rings, are there higher load hub rings for 9600 lb cars vs say my 3200 lb car?
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