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Jermyzy 08-31-2011 04:07 PM

BC teachers issue strike notice
 
Not a full strike

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B.C. teachers file strike notice

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By: Andrew Weichel, ctvbc.ca

Date: Wednesday Aug. 31, 2011 4:36 PM PT

The B.C. Teachers Federation says it has filed a strike notice that will take effect on the first day of the 2011-2012 school year.

Federation president Susan Lambert announced the pending job action at a press conference Wednesday morning, lamenting the lack of progress achieved since bargaining began in March.

"What the government has done in this round of bargaining is come to the table with a mandate that is simply a refusal to bargain," Lambert said.

Teachers have been threatening a work-to-rule action for weeks as contract talks with the province have failed to result in an agreement.

Beginning Tuesday, classes will be in session, but teachers will not conduct routine administrative tasks, including filling out forms, collecting data or meeting with principals and other administrators.

They also will not be supervising playgrounds, writing report cards or conducting parent-teacher interviews.

But these terms only represents "Phase 1" of the job action, which teachers say could escalate if bargaining does not progress. They are asking for smaller class sizes, higher salaries and the right to bargain at the local level.

Education Minister George Abbott said Wednesday that the strike notice comes as no surprise, and the ministry is aware that teachers are dissatisfied with the bargaining process and the province's "net zero" mandate for all public sector wages.

"I respect that they would like to see [a wage increase]. We were able to provide a 12 per cent increase back in 2006," Abbott said. "We just don't have the flexibility that we had."

Abbott said he hopes the BCTF will eventually be convinced to accept the government's terms and avoid a full-blown strike.

"The possibility of having a protracted shutdown of schools would be unacceptable to any government, and certainly it would be unacceptable to us," Abbott said.

But Lambert said B.C. teachers' wages are falling behind their colleagues in other provinces, and have already sacrificed too much to give up on their other demands.

"Teachers for years sacrificed wages and benefit improvements in order to get collective agreement language around class size, composition and service ratios," Lambert said.

"What this government's doing is making choices like building the BC Place roof…. There is funding available."

LP700-4 08-31-2011 04:09 PM

Wait so what? No school on the 6th? :fuckyea:

Jermyzy 08-31-2011 04:10 PM

^Read again haha.

Beginning Tuesday, classes will be in session, but teachers will not conduct routine administrative tasks, including filling out forms, collecting data or meeting with principals and other administrators.

They also will not be supervising playgrounds, writing report cards or conducting parent-teacher interviews.

But these terms only represents "Phase 1" of the job action, which teachers say could escalate if bargaining does not progress. They are asking for smaller class sizes, higher salaries and the right to bargain at the local level.


LP700-4 08-31-2011 04:20 PM

Awwww, so we have to go to school, but no report cards? WTF?

twitchyzero 08-31-2011 04:29 PM

could you imagine if professors could go on a strike
next year's tuition: 12% hike

Meowjin 08-31-2011 04:30 PM

they can go on strike lol.

langara almost went on strike last semester.

Meowjin 08-31-2011 04:31 PM

universities are stupid anyways. charge so much and just roll around in bursary money.

Graeme S 08-31-2011 05:04 PM

Sigh. Media.

Collective bargaining legislation requires any union which wants to take *any action* (this includes something as small as wearing a pin to inform of the issue) must give strike notice, which is essentially worded:
"In the future at some point we will be willing to go on strike over some stuff if we can't reach an agreement in the mean time."


The comment about the 12% raise is semi-redirection. From the teachers I have talked to, the main issue is class size and composition; something that was removed from collective bargaining in the last contract negotiations because the then-government passed legislation (which was later found to be unconstitutional) mandating the removal of those provisions from any teaching contract. Something the media might not focus on is the contract before the 12%, teachers actually agreed to a 0-0-0 three-year agreement, on the condition the government increase hiring, reduce class sizes and increase the number of special needs assistants and teachers. The government failed to hold up their end and the teachers got pissed and dug in their heels.


Obviously, I'm taking the teachers' side on this one (not saying they or unions are always right), so it bothers me how people are already writing "teachers on strike!" Headlines when really they're still teaching and doing everything that students and parents would normally see, with the exception of report cards.

Also, teachers will meet with parents still, but will not participate in the board/administrator managed PTIs. So saying that they won't be doing parent-teacher interviews is a half-truth.
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cliffhanger33 08-31-2011 05:47 PM

So no report cards will affect early admission to uni?

Although having no report cards may not be important to elementary and high school kids up to grade 11, I am pretty sure report cards are crucial to the grade 12s.............

Death2Theft 08-31-2011 06:21 PM

Fuck public schools, last thing I want is for my kid to get a degree on striking. Who goes on strike more often than teachers? It's every two years tops.

q0192837465 08-31-2011 06:36 PM

Man, sometimes I kinda want a union job. If I decide to strike tmr, my boss would just say cya.
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acrophobia 08-31-2011 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft (Post 7563804)
Fuck public schools, last thing I want is for my kid to get a degree on striking. Who goes on strike more often than teachers? It's every two years tops.

So you are okay with your kids going to school for 13 years where every class is over-full and understaffed, as long as the teachers don't go on strike?

tiger_handheld 08-31-2011 07:22 PM

12% wage increase every 4 years -- not bad.

taylor192 08-31-2011 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Graeme S (Post 7563747)
From the teachers I have talked to, the main issue is class size and composition;

Then they can voluntarily take a pay cut so more teachers can be hired. Its that simple.

The suggestion that their wages and benefits are falling behind other provinces, yet they want to be able to locally collect bargain is hypocrisy. Of course their wages are below other provinces (namely Alberta) cause BC has an excess of teachers while Alberta struggles to fill positions. If they really wanted to collectively bargain locally they'd leave out what other provinces are making and focus on that there's a lot of teachers out of work who could be reducing class sizes if they took a pay cut to hire more.

Its disgusting that this union is holding kids hostage cause the want more money. I have 2 out of work teachers as friends who'd gladly take a job for less money.

Oh and lets add the $3B hole just introduced in the budget, it means no provincial union is getting an increase until this is filled. If the teachers were smart they would've campaigned to keep the HST as there'd be more money available. If you see a teacher complaining that had a "YES" HST sign, tell them they got what they voted for.

chopstickz 08-31-2011 10:42 PM

thank god i'm out of high school

Mercy 08-31-2011 11:07 PM

To make class sizes smaller you need more teachers right? You need money for teachers but they w ant higher wages...? Is that how it works? I can't think of any other ways to make classes smaller.
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Mr.HappySilp 09-01-2011 12:05 AM

I don't get the whole class room size In Hk(where I study till grade 3), china, japan, Korea each classroom have around 40+ kids yet we did fine. I don't see how having just 30+ kids is so hard to teach.

twitchyzero 09-01-2011 12:06 AM

because 40+ is the norm...and back in the day if you weren't didn't give a two shit in class you'd probably end up getting beat with a stick.

UnName 09-01-2011 12:14 AM

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU this is my grade 12 year. They better not walk off the job if they can't settle this.

Culverin 09-01-2011 12:56 AM

  • pretty damned good job security
  • collective bargaining
  • 12% every 4 years
  • guaranteed cost of living adjustment
  • 2 months off

If you work in the private sector, you'll see how out of control that list is.
How many of those 5 items do you think we get in the private sector.
I'd give my left testicle for 2 of those items.

goo3 09-01-2011 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp (Post 7564206)
I don't get the whole class room size In Hk(where I study till grade 3), china, japan, Korea each classroom have around 40+ kids yet we did fine. I don't see how having just 30+ kids is so hard to teach.

I'm guessing it's not really about the kids.

MG1 09-01-2011 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Culverin (Post 7564246)

I'd give my left testicle for 2 of those items.

or................. you can take the required courses and get into the profession.


Sick of politicians getting cushy job with great pension? Become one.

Jelly of how much nurses make with their overtime? Become one.

Hate execs who make six digit salary? Become one.

Sick of lawyers making a tonne of money? Become one.

Want to screw women all day long? Become a porn star.

Wanna be a rock star? Go right ahead......... money for nothing and your chicks for free.

Every job has its price/toll. Not everyone can do the job or is cut out for it.

If nurses were going on strike/job action, people would be all over how it's an easy job, blah, blah, blah. Walk a mile in people's shoes before you talk shit.

Sorry, Culverin. Not directed at you.

Culverin 09-01-2011 02:14 AM

No worries, no offence taken at all.
On the other side of the coin of "like perks, then become one", because of all those "perks" they already have, I don't think they have ever made a strong case for wage increases.

While I understand class sizes (especially for children) does factor into how much attention a teacher can give each student. It very much seems that it has become a bargaining chip and a bit of an unrelated excuse so they can string along for wage increases. I'd honestly have a lot more respect for the teacher's side if they went to bat for updated text books, teaching materials, equipment, paid workshops and the like. Maybe the teachers do that kind of stuff right now, but it happens behind the scenes? It sure as heck isn't public that it's a priority for them. So if they deserve my support, they sure as heck haven't demonstrated it and therefore don't command it.

Anyways, back to the main topic. I'm just saying, as things stand, their position sounds pretty cushy already. They just plain haven't made a strong case for to improve their compensation. And jelly or not, this isn't about some 6-figure Exec or Blood Sucking Layer. It's kinda my tax money going into it. So I do get to voice my opinion.


Side note:
I know the education system (especially at higher levels) is about jumping through a bunch of hoops. But unfortunately, that's not how I learn.

I found this quite enlightening.

MG1 09-01-2011 02:17 AM

Interesting, indeed..........

MG1 09-01-2011 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Culverin (Post 7564285)
No worries, no offence taken at all.

I'm glad. I tend to say too much.


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