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Old 01-08-2012, 04:57 PM   #76
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The only hand that beats it, is Js/Qs no? I'd call if I had the 7s.
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Just for argument's sake, what if you were down 8k for the month but up 12k for this session and the raiser has you covered? You're well aware of how the person plays and it's highly unlikely he would do this with As but of course anything's possible. You're into the pot for $1200 and if you fold, it's still a winning session and profitable month.

Do you make the same call?
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This just gets trickier and trickier LOL if I was down 8k and up 12k, so that gives me a 4k profit from this session alone. $4000 - 1200 = 2800 profit.

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What limits are you guys playing? 3/6 or 5/10 NL?
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You guys are ballers, I can only afford to play 1/2 NL
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Just for argument's sake, what if you were down 8k for the month but up 12k for this session and the raiser has you covered? You're well aware of how the person plays and it's highly unlikely he would do this with As but of course anything's possible. You're into the pot for $1200 and if you fold, it's still a winning session and profitable month.

Do you make the same call?
Being up or down really has nothing to do with it.. I get the point, but if you have a straight flush and theres only 2 cards in the deck that can beat you, unless you'd have to re-mortgage the house, you call.
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lol no, not even close. I play 1/2 maybe 2/5 if there's no table or I'm running good. Our house game is smaller but plays like 1/2 cause of the action - it's more for fun.

The example I posted was at a different game. Yeah, sure we play for fun but at the end of the day, we're there to win $$$. At a 1/2 game, if I'm more or less even for the month (how often I calculate) but up say $600 for the session (stack is $800), I make the call 99.9% and if I'm beat, I'm beat - can't play scared, right and the $200 session loss is whatever. If I'm playing for a living and the stakes are higher and it makes or breaks my month, it's probably 70/30 that I make the call.
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Cool, thanks.

At our game last night, my friend was telling me about a hand at a house game that was pretty interesting:

Board: 6s, 8s, 9s - 10s - Kh

One person has the 7s, bets the river and a strong player almost instantly ships it. Person with the 7s thinks for a long time, then calls. Result is pretty sick.

One person at our game said they could fold it, the rest said if he has it, you just gotta pay him off. What do you guys think? And say the stakes matter a lot.
you would have to factor in a number of things, including what happened at the flop, the turn, who acts first as well as the player's playing style.

Give J/Q of spades was the only hand that could've beaten the 7s..
that means the strong player hit a flush on the flop..i tend to avoid having the hand play to the river and take down it before that..but that depends on the player..
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Folding a straight flush? I dont think so, anyone saying they would make that fold is full of shit.
That situation is the 1% that is considered in the odds, its sick but it happens.

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this is the only situation that you may consider folding

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he has played against daniel in a ton of hands
it is plausible that he has the 1 card that beats him.
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you would have to factor in a number of things, including what happened at the flop, the turn, who acts first as well as the player's playing style.

Give J/Q of spades was the only hand that could've beaten the 7s..
that means the strong player hit a flush on the flop..i tend to avoid having the hand play to the river and take down it before that..but that depends on the player..
Agreed. It all depends for me as to how the hand went down.. just gotta go with the read and your gut feeling. But I don't think I could lay it down..

I wonder how much was in the pot.
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Folding a straight flush? I dont think so, anyone saying they would make that fold is full of shit.
That situation is the 1% that is considered in the odds, its sick but it happens.

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Antonio Esfandiari folds straight flush against Daniel Negreanu - YouTube

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he has played against daniel in a ton of hands
it is plausible that he has the 1 card that beats him.
For this situation, it would be an "easier" fold.
You are only gambling to split the pot... he took a stab at it.. got raised.. unless he was willing to gamble an extra 6k just to split the pot then it was an easier fold IMO.

Of course, it also depends on the size of the pot..
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you would have to factor in a number of things, including what happened at the flop, the turn, who acts first as well as the player's playing style.

Give J/Q of spades was the only hand that could've beaten the 7s..
that means the strong player hit a flush on the flop..i tend to avoid having the hand play to the river and take down it before that..but that depends on the player..
If I remember the story correctly, it got checked to the river and the original bettor was out of position. A bet on the flop would've got called anyways (even with a bare As, probably), then hit the turn, so any bet in this case wouldn't really give any information since the Js, Qs already flopped the 3rd nuts. IMO the only way it's conceivable (1%) to fold is if it gets re-raised at least twice, with a third person in the hand (and obviously how snug the players are). That should weed out any bluff and give one person the As and possibly another with Js, Qs.

Either way, I probably take a second to think about it and make the call. If you're folding straight flushes, might as well quit.
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boulevard has a lot of regulars (tight nits), I feel Cascades has the most action
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If I remember the story correctly, it got checked to the river and the original bettor was out of position. A bet on the flop would've got called anyways (even with a bare As, probably), then hit the turn, so any bet in this case wouldn't really give any information since the Js, Qs already flopped the 3rd nuts. IMO the only way it's conceivable (1%) to fold is if it gets re-raised at least twice, with a third person in the hand (and obviously how snug the players are). That should weed out any bluff and give one person the As and possibly another with Js, Qs.

Either way, I probably take a second to think about it and make the call. If you're folding straight flushes, might as well quit.
what did the guy end up having? (strong player)..
but question is who had the option to bet first?

reason is..being the J/Q guy (if he had that hand)..having 4 spades on the turn with the knowledge that you'd win already..
i would've bet 3/4 pot on the turn...just because there is no benefit in waiting till the river to bet..
1) if the guy has any spades worth calling ie 7, K or A..he would call and better would milk the pot more
2) if he has no spades / one spade that's pretty mediocre..guy would fold anyways since river wouldn't improve his hand to win..and pot is too small for you to take a gamble and having to trouble yourself on whether to call on the river if J/Q guy bets again..

waiting till the river to bet..for case 1, if he thinks the odds are right..would call but you'd end up making less money than if betting on the turn..
and all otherwise would fold and you'd end up only earning the minimum..

thus IMO at least, since the guy supposedly to be holding J/Q of spades did not bet on turn, he does not have that hand and guy with 7s should make the call regardless..

according to my logic anyways..
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boulevard has a lot of regulars (tight nits), I feel Cascades has the most action
Haven't played at cascade ever
but blvd is the nittiest of the nits.
except a few exceptions.

Top 2 aggressive and action rooms are Edgewater and River rock

the regulars love action and if you give them action they will gladly play you.

When I was at blvd playing it was fun because the table was half regs from edge and the whole time we just ragged on how shitty blvd was lol.
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Edgewater was a softgame when the poker room was back in the old building. I remember I had a 20+ days win streak stacking ppl who couldn't fold tpgk. When it returned to the main building, competition rose. I think cuz ppl came back to play in the bigger room.
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i'm a regular at Edgewater and i only stay on 1/2 NL there. I played 2/5 but didnt do good at it. I got my hands cracked more often on 2/5.

Vegas is easy to win, so many tourist.
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i'm a regular at Edgewater and i only stay on 1/2 NL there. I played 2/5 but didnt do good at it. I got my hands cracked more often on 2/5.

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^ i played at Aria and mandalay bay

i like aria b/c i played there everyday for a week and got to become like home there.
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Does pedro still play at edgewater every morning at 1/2?
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^ yes and hes annoying haha

did you hear what happened to him? He flopped striaght flush, and the other guy had a set of Jacks. Pedro raised the guy and the other guy showed jacks and said "i'm not paying you off anything" (because he was pissed pedro doesnt ever play a hand except monsters)and he FOLDED. Turn comes a Jack, bad beat!!!! Pedro didnt play for a month afterwards i heard.
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Wow the rest of the table must have been choked

Example) KQss vs JJ
Flop is 910J spades
Pedro bets into the badbeat hand which he shouldn't
Villain folds set of J
Rabbit hunt turn another J
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This Pedro guy probably didn't play again for a month for being greedy and raising with a straigh flush.

I guess that's what happens when excitement gets to you when you flop a monster like that.

I also wonder how much Pedro bet to have the guy FOLD top set...It must have been overbet/all in kind of thing. It's because I don't htink I can lay down set of Js at that point without it being an overbet or just an all in from a "tight" player
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Wow the rest of the table must have been choked

Example) KQss vs JJ
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Crazy hand at our house game last night:

All preflop

-BB raises big w/ JJ
-loosest player goes all in w/ KK
-I call w/ QQ (I have a moderately loose aggresive image)
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Flop - J-Q-2 rainbow
Turn - 5 no flush draw
River - 7

What are the odds of 3 sets flopping?
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