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Speed of light broken

BBC News - Speed-of-light experiments give baffling result at Cern

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Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light.

Neutrinos sent through the ground from Cern toward the Gran Sasso laboratory 732km away seemed to show up a tiny fraction of a second early.

The result - which threatens to upend a century of physics - will be put online for scrutiny by other scientists.

In the meantime, the group says it is being very cautious about its claims.

"We tried to find all possible explanations for this," said report author Antonio Ereditato of the Opera collaboration.

"We wanted to find a mistake - trivial mistakes, more complicated mistakes, or nasty effects - and we didn't," he told BBC News.

"When you don't find anything, then you say 'Well, now I'm forced to go out and ask the community to scrutinise this.'"

Caught speeding?
The speed of light is the Universe's ultimate speed limit, and much of modern physics - as laid out in part by Albert Einstein in his special theory of relativity - depends on the idea that nothing can exceed it.

Thousands of experiments have been undertaken to measure it ever more precisely, and no result has ever spotted a particle breaking the limit.

But Dr Ereditato and his colleagues have been carrying out an experiment for the last three years that seems to suggest neutrinos have done just that.

Neutrinos come in a number of types, and have recently been seen to switch spontaneously from one type to another.

The team prepares a beam of just one type, muon neutrinos, sending them from Cern to an underground laboratory at Gran Sasso in Italy to see how many show up as a different type, tau neutrinos.

In the course of doing the experiments, the researchers noticed that the particles showed up a few billionths of a second sooner than light would over the same distance.

The team measured the travel times of neutrino bunches some 15,000 times, and have reached a level of statistical significance that in scientific circles would count as a formal discovery.

But the group understands that what are known as "systematic errors" could easily make an erroneous result look like a breaking of the ultimate speed limit, and that has motivated them to publish their measurements.

"My dream would be that another, independent experiment finds the same thing - then I would be relieved," Dr Ereditato said.

But for now, he explained, "we are not claiming things, we want just to be helped by the community in understanding our crazy result - because it is crazy".

"And of course the consequences can be very serious."

Thats gonna be a 50+ km/h over ticket son, license and registration please. Step outta the car.

Fascinating.

I have a feeling amazing discoveries will soon be made.

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Originally Posted by Qmx323 (Post 7586890)

Thats gonna be a 50+ km/h over ticket son, license and registration please. Step outta the car.

The public is outraged and would like public forfeiture

:troll:

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Originally Posted by murd0c (Post 7586887)

Star Trek was right

Actually, the speed of light was never broken in Star Trek

now we can travel through time

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Originally Posted by Amuro Ray (Post 7586900)

Actually, the speed of light was never broken in Star Trek

It wasn't? Would you care to explain?

Doesn't warp speed mean they have a warp drive that propels the space craft faster than light speeds? ie. warp 1-10?
ie. warp 10 = 10x the magnitude of the speed of light?

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Originally Posted by mx703 (Post 7587268)

I suppose one could argue that warp travel isn't really travelling through space in a linear way, it's actually bending the space around you and travelling through that medium.

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Originally Posted by mx703 (Post 7587268)

it was a "legal" speed though.

The warp drives created a bubble of normal space of which it would accelerate space around the ship itself. The front part of the bubble would be compressed space-time, whereas the back part of the bubble would be less "dense". Thereby sucking the ship forward in a way deemed "legal" by the current laws of physics. (The space of which the ship actually moved in was "normal space")

IIRC Warp speed was exponential. ie: Warp 8 would be 10^8 times the speed of light.

Warp Field, Yo.

Zephram Cochrane, FTW!!!

^reminded me of the Gorn, LOLOLOLOLOL

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...ks/320x240.jpg

quantum theory and relativity are serious real-life mindfuck

god damn it, Ferra, tell your avatar to stop shakin'

Regardless of how much physics I've done the past few years, I still find it hard to believe that the speed of light is the fastest thing in the universe.

supposedly, warp speed in a ship is like being wrapped in a bubble that space moves around or say, folding a piece of paper in half and being able to pass end to end as a shortcut.

Scientists just haven't been able to discover yet what exists in the star wars and star trek worlds. One hundred years ago we had no idea laptops, cellular phones, internet would even exist. One hundred years from now, our children or children's children will see the new found technology!

then what was so special about Deep Space 9s wormhole?

or Star Treks "light speed breakaway factor"

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Originally Posted by MG1 (Post 7587447)

god damn it, Ferra, tell your avatar to stop shakin'

I agree. Less shaking, more bouncing.
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Can you send me larger version of yours? I find myself straining to see it. Old age = poor eyesight, but 6th sense tells me there's something really good there.

hmmmm......... now that I've seen it, meh

thanks, anyway.

What was it that spock said?

"Having is not as pleasing as wanting."