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09-29-2011, 08:19 AM
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#1 | | YOU CANT CUT BACK ON FUNDING! YOU WILL REGRET THIS
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| US Wants to Fence all all Canadian Borders
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The United States is looking at building fences along the border with Canada to help keep out terrorists and other criminals.
The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency has proposed the use of "fencing and other barriers" on the 49th parallel to manage "trouble spots where passage of cross-border violators is difficult to control."
The border service is also pondering options including a beefed-up technological presence through increased use of radar, sensors, cameras, drones and vehicle scanners. In addition, it might continue to improve or expand customs facilities at ports of entry.
The agency considered but ruled out the possibility of hiring "significantly more" U.S. Border Patrol agents to increase the rate of inspections, noting staffing has already risen in recent years.
The proposals are spelled out in a new draft report by the border service that examines the possible environmental impact of the various options over the next five to seven years.
Customs and Border Protection is inviting comment on the options and plans a series of public meetings in Washington and several U.S. border communities next month. It will then decide which ideas to pursue.
U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano noted last month the challenges of monitoring the vast, sparsely populated northern border region. She stressed manpower, but also a greater reliance on technology.
Ironically, the moves come as Canada and the U.S. try to finalize a perimeter security arrangement that would focus on continental defences while easing border congestion. It would be aimed at speeding passage of goods and people across the Canada-U.S. border, which has become something of a bottleneck since the 911 attacks.
Relatively speaking, Washington has focused more energy and resources on tightening security along the border with Mexico than at the sprawling one with Canada.
But that may be changing.
Only small portion secured
A U.S. Government Accountability Office report recently warned that only a small portion of the border with Canada is properly secure. It said U.S. border officers control just 50 kilometres of the 6,400-kilometre boundary.
The Customs and Border Protection report says while fences have been a big element in deterring unauthorized crossings of the U.S.-Mexican border, "it is unlikely that fencing will play as prominent a role" on the northern border, given its length and terrain that varies from prairie to forest.
However, the agency would use fencing and other barriers such as trenches to control movement and sometimes delay people trying to sneak across the border, increasing the likelihood they could be caught, says the report.
It doesn't provide details about what the fences might look like, but suggests they would be designed to blend into the environment and "complement the natural landscape."
The approach would also involve upgrading roadways and trails near the border.
"The lack of roads or presence of unmaintained roads impedes efficient surveillance operations," says the report. "Improving or expanding the roadway and trail networks could improve mobility, allowing agents to patrol more miles each day and shortening response times."
Over the last two years, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has already made what it calls "critical security improvements along the northern border," adding inspectors at the ports of entry and Border Patrol agents between ports, as well as modernizing land crossings.
Nearly 3,800 Customs and Border Protection officers scrutinize people and goods at crossings. The number of Border Patrol agents working between crossings along the northern parallel has increased 700 per cent since Sept. 11, 2001. And some three dozen land ports of entry are being modernized.
Unmanned U.S. aircraft patrol about 1,500 kilometres along the northern border from Washington to Minnesota as well as more than 300 kilometres of the Canadian border around New York state and Lake Ontario.
| source: Canadian border fence pondered by U.S. - Politics - CBC News
gogogo USA wall yourself in.
what worse can you do than import everything from China including the Great wall?
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09-29-2011, 08:43 AM
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#2 | | I told him no, what y'all do?
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ya? well maybe WE want to keep THEM out and should start fencing AMERICAN borders 
seriously though as long as they don't expect us to pay for any of it they can do whatever the hell they want. Quote: |
The United States is looking at building fences along the border with Canada to help keep out terrorists and other criminals.
| i thought it would be the other way around 
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09-29-2011, 08:45 AM
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good luck with that, didnt stop the mexicans from entering the US, and their border is only half of ours
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09-29-2011, 08:48 AM
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Americans are In debt up to their eyeballs but what to build a massive fence along the border?
It's not like it affects me at all so I don't really care. 
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09-29-2011, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Amuro Ray  gogogo USA wall yourself in.
what worse can you do than import everything from China including the Great wall? | Wall yourself in??? The article and your interpretation of it, are both misleading and sensationalist. How many people do you know who walk into the states on an unprotected portion of the USA/Canada border without checking in with customs?
Unless you're good buddies with the guys carrying hockey bags of buds and guns, probably not very many.
Who are they actually keeping out with this fence? Some deer? rabbits? Good, I would rather our deer and rabbits stay here. Quote: |
Ironically, the moves come as Canada and the U.S. try to finalize a perimeter security arrangement that would focus on continental defences while easing border congestion. It would be aimed at speeding passage of goods and people across the Canada-U.S. border, which has become something of a bottleneck since the 911 attacks.
| Yes...it is sooo ironic that delivery trucks, and trains, and tourists are going to be caught in all those chicken wire fences in Southern Manitoba..oh..wait a minute.
The article should be correctly titled "US wants to create 100 fence building jobs to ease fears of some irrational Americans and annoy a few naive Canadians"
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09-29-2011, 08:57 AM
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thats their new job creation idea.  | |
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09-29-2011, 09:01 AM
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09-29-2011, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hurricane Wall yourself in??? The article and your interpretation of it, are both misleading and sensationalist. How many people do you know who walk into the states on an unprotected portion of the USA/Canada border without checking in with customs?
Unless you're good buddies with the guys carrying hockey bags of buds and guns, probably not very many.
Who are they actually keeping out with this fence? Some deer? rabbits? Good, I would rather our deer and rabbits stay here. | my comment was meant as a joke to point out the fact they are simply going a bit too overboard with their protection against unauthorized entry...
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09-29-2011, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dachinesedude good luck with that, didnt stop the mexicans from entering the US, and their border is only half of ours | there is no fence on the mexican-us border..
its mostly just a pathetic ditch that anyone can cross.
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09-29-2011, 09:49 AM
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I'm pretty sure the us has more terrorist and criminals within their borders than canada Posted via RS Mobile | |
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09-29-2011, 09:52 AM
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Yes! Finally, the americans are getting serious about doing nothing to solve a problem but looking good on TV.
The only fence that actually worked to keep people separate was the Berlin Wall. I think we can all picture the PR nightmare THAT would be.
Second, the americans can complain all they want about Canadian security, but the last time I checked, THEY controlled entry at all points to their country.
Next, I can't recall any terrorists having gone through non-controlled points that we know of. Not one. So either the problem is so bad that they can't catch a single one, or it isn't that bad at all.
This is another fine example of politicians in the states wanting to appear tough on something, but really doing nothing constructive about it.
Insert: debt control, spending, health care and crime. It all works.
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09-29-2011, 01:07 PM
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like Ron Paul said they have to make sure the fences aren't keeping Americans locked in rather than others locked out 
sounds like the US just wants to create some jobs so their monthly numbers dont stay @ 0 | |
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09-29-2011, 04:15 PM
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I always finding driving along zero ave in Langley, Abbotsford amusing. At least every five kilometers you see a U.S. border patrol guard idling in a Yukon or Suburban watching people pick berries, and they wonder why their in debt..
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09-29-2011, 04:21 PM
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You would think they'd build a fence on the mexico border before they'd do it for the canadian one. Maybe they've given up on the war on drugs coming from mexico haha.
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09-29-2011, 04:48 PM
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Fortress America !!
As long as the american are paying for the fences, I don't really care.
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09-29-2011, 05:50 PM
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Lulz, with what money? Chinese money or the money they'll have to borrow from us? Maybe they should finish the 5 mile border fence they've been building on the US/Mexico border for the past 5+ years before they start up here.
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09-29-2011, 08:14 PM
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let them do it, and then shut up about it...
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09-29-2011, 08:24 PM
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I'll be piss if the Americans ask as to pay half of the cost
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09-29-2011, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DsZ24 You would think they'd build a fence on the mexico border before they'd do it for the canadian one. Maybe they've given up on the war on drugs coming from mexico haha. | The only reason they are building it up here and not at the Mexico border is because they are scared of getting shot by the drug cartels. They still want to look like they are doing something so they came up with this because all we are going to do is laugh at their insecurity..  | |
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so it would be almost 8891kms of fencing they'll need if they want to do the Alaskan border too 6415kms if not
knowing Harper he'll agree to foot a nice portion of that
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09-29-2011, 10:50 PM
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A useless and incredibly expensive endeavour.
Reading this had me thinking of a very subtle but hilarious scene from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when the Vogons are attempting to rescue the President at Arthur's home on Earth Mark II:
"Oh no, he's closed the gate from the inside, we'll have to go round!"
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Wouldn't it be cheaper for them to just increase the number of drones patrolling the border?
Anyway, I agree with Gridlock entirely.
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Originally Posted by Great68 Americans are In debt up to their eyeballs but what to build a massive fence along the border?
It's not like it affects me at all so I don't really care. | job creation brah
actually with the way things are going in the us maybe they're trying to build a fence to keep their people in, ha
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Coming from someone who lives very near the border in Langley, there's very little apparent manpower coming from the American side preventing people from crossing 0 Ave into the US. Every once in a while I'll drive down 0 Ave and actually watch people park on the side of the street and see them hop the fence from Canada into the US just to pick some berries or fly their remote controlled plane in an open field. The funny thing is this is in an area that's less than a kilometre away from the Aldergrove border crossing. Now, I know these aren't the sort of people they're attempting to prevent from coming into the States illegally, but is there really such a large problem that would justify a project of this magnitude and cost?
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