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Bill C-11 getting pushed in (copyrights)

So now that the cons have a majority they're pushing in their copyright bill the liberals say no changes were made from the last time (even though it was said that changes would be needed)

anyhow here's some articles on it

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Copyright laws could be updated by Christmas

The federal government has reintroduced a copyright reform bill that it says will give owners more control over their intellectual property and ease penalties for individuals who make copies of digitally encrypted material.

The government says that Canada's existing copyright laws are outdated, having last been overhauled in 1997. But consumers today are using tablets, electronic readers and other devices that have changed the way they create and use media.

"Canadians will soon have modern copyright laws that protect and help create jobs, promote innovation, and attract new investment to Canada," Industry Minister Christian Paradis said in a statement.

"We are confident that this bill will make Canada's copyright laws forward-looking and responsive in this fast-paced digital world."

Many of the proposed changes relate to how intellectual property is handled when using electronic devices or online distribution systems. They aim to give content creators more tools to control the distribution of their work and a greater variety of legal options to exercise when their works are infringed upon.

Owners of intellectual property will be able to use "technological protection measures," or digital locks, in an attempt to prevent consumers from accessing their material without authorization.

But consumers will also benefit from the new bill, according to the government.

The Copyright Modernization Act spells out specific ways in which Canadians can make legal use of electronic material they obtain. It also drops the legal damages that individuals can sustain -- from $20,000 down to $5,000 -- for infringing on a copyright-protected work.

The Act died in the last session of Parliament and was introduced as Bill C-11 in the House of Commons on Thursday morning "without changes" from its prior version, according to the government.

Opposition reaction

New Democrat MP Charlie Angus told reporters that his party will not support the bill because there are problems relating to royalties for artists and materials for distance education, among other things.

"The previous bill was a dog's breakfast, it was completely unworkable," Angus said Thursday. "The government is looking to try to find a balance but they haven't found it yet."

Meanwhile Liberal industry critic Geoff Regan said in a statement that reintroducing the bill without any changes "makes a mockery" of earlier consultations regarding the reforms.

In the previous Parliament, Regan said, "we heard from hundreds of witnesses who presented reasonable suggestions to improve the Conservative bill. Those recommendations have been completely ignored."

Heritage Minister James Moore billed the reforms as a way for Canada to attract investment and jobs by better protecting intellectual property.

"We want to make piracy illegal in Canada, which is what this legislation does," he said Thursday on CTV's Power Play.

Under the new legislation, Moore said the onus will be on owners to defend their copyrighted material. Internet service providers will also have a responsibility to approach customers about infractions if they get a complaint about copyright infringement, he said.

Enforcement question

Technology analyst Carmi Levy said the copyright legislation would bring Canada "up to the global standard" if it becomes law.

But the new measures will also require greater police enforcement, he said.

"We can have the most stringent legislation in force on the planet, but if police forces across the country don't in fact go ahead and enforce it more than they have been, it really isn't going to mean a whole lot."

On Twitter, Moore posted quotes from organizations that support the forthcoming changes in the legislation.

The Entertainment Software Alliance of Canada said "we strongly support the principles underlying the Copyright Act," according to one tweet Moore sent out on Thursday morning.

Both Music Canada and Access Copyright said the copyright changes were long awaited, while the Canadian Anti-Counterfeiting Network congratulated the government for "taking strong action to protect copyright holders."

Moore told reporters that he hopes the bill will clear the House of Commons by Christmas.

CTV Montreal - Copyright laws could be updated by Christmas - CTV News

No one will like the new copyright laws Bill C-11 promotes business interests-Ottowa Citizen

Spoiler!

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The definition of a good compromise is when everyone walks away from the table grumpy.

By that measure, the federal government's copyright legislation, Bill C-11, does a very good job of protecting consumer rights while promoting the interests of big business.

Copyright is tricky stuff, especially in the electronic age when file sharing and a plethora of available content have blurred the lines between right and wrong online. Consumers shouldn't be downloading stuff from sketchy online sources without paying for it. But, they should be allowed to use a personal video recorder to record a TV show, or rip a CD to their iPod to take with them on the road.

That said, big movie studios and record labels shouldn't be able to tie up Canadian courts for months while they try to sue thousands of individuals for hundreds of thousands of dollars over suspicions they may been pirating content.

That Bill C-11 can address all of that is worthy of applause.

Under the new bill, consumers are given specific rights. They are now able to rip their old CDs to an iPod-type device, a grey area under previous copyright law.

They can also make a copy of any legitimately acquired music, film or other work to any device or medium for private use and make backup copies of those works, as long as the consumer does not have to circumvent any digital locks to make that copy.

The digital lock issue is one that has many consumers up in arms.

Most music bought today has no digital restrictions. But movies and other material do. As someone who has a media server and a multitude of movies stored on it, all ripped from DVDs that were purchased, I understand the arguments completely. I have two young children and they destroy DVDs; I once caught them racing across the room and grinding discs into the carpet. That ultimately made me decide to store everything on the media server and stream it over my home network to whatever TV or device I choose. The DVDs were safe in a box in the basement and the kids got to keep watching the movies they love.

Under Bill C-11, that practice will become illegal, which is a loss for consumers. However, outcry over the issue has forced the movie studios to change the way they release their titles.

Many new DVDs and Bluray discs come with "digital copies" of the movie or codes to obtain a digital copy, allowing people to have a digital version of the film without breaking copyright law. It's not perfect, but it's a start.

It's also important to remember that the whole debate about breaking a digital lock to backup a DVD is collateral damage resulting from a much bigger problem.

While DVDs use locks to keep a movie safe from would-be pirates, so does software like Apple Inc.'s OS X and Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating system. All video games are locked down to prevent theft. Those industries are being ravaged by individuals who would much sooner download an illegal copy than pay for the product at retail stores.

The next time you hear about someone modifying an X-Box 360 to play "backup games," be sure to thank them for taking away your ability to backup legally purchased DVDs.

Where the consumer has clearly won is in the reduction of the maximum penalty that can be awarded by a court as a result of copyright infringement.

In the United States, lawyers representing movie studios have been seeking hundreds of thousands in damages from people suspected of pirating films. Courts in the U.S. can fine an individual up to $150,000 if they are caught illegally downloading a file.

Prior to Bill C-11, Canadians could be fined up to $20,000. The new maximum for damages to individuals is $5,000.

That would barely cover legal costs, which means frivolous lawsuits like the ones taking place in the U.S. are extremely unlikely.

The bill also makes mandatory the "notice and notice" system already widely used by Internet service providers (ISPs) on a voluntary basis in Canada. The system will see ISPs act as a filter between the copyright holder and the consumer. Consumers suspected of file sharing will have a "cease and desist" or takedown notice forwarded to them by their ISP. This way no one's private information is shared. The policy is in contrast to the "notice and takedown" system in place in the U.S., where ISPs are informed of possible copyright infringement and then required to take down that content immediately, even if it means suspending a user's Internet access.

Canadians are also now free to make "mash-ups," a mix of copyrighted files, for non-commercial purposes.

This means that 30-second video of your three-yearold dancing to the music of Prince no longer infringes on copyright laws.

The bill gives certain rights to educators to copy and distribute material for learning purposes and distance learning, it also gives new powers to big business to go after websites that promote the sharing of copyrighted files.

No one side is coming out of this as the clear victor. The government is making sure that everyone is giving in a little and leaving this table grumpy. While consumers are likely to be angered by the inability to backup their DVDs, industry hasn't received sweeping U.S.-style powers to force ISPs to shut down the accounts of suspected copyright infringers.

Instead C-11 walks a fine line and brings Canadian copyright laws that haven't been updated in more than a decade into the 21st century.
© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen

Tories vow to push through copyright overhaul as written - Globe and Mail

Spoiler!

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Breaking the digital encryption on a movie DVD – even if copying it for personal use – would make individual Canadians liable for legal damages of up to $5,000 under a tougher copyright law unveiled by the Harper government Thursday.

In what will be music to Washington's ears, the Harper government is moving ahead with a crackdown on copying intellectual property from DVDs to e-books that have a digital “lock” on them.
The Conservatives also signalled they’re not prepared to soften this approach for consumers who try to make copies of locked items for personal use.

“This legislation makes piracy illegal in Canada,” Heritage Minister James Moore said Thursday.

The Conservatives are signalling they’re not keen on budging from the bill as written, even though the digital lock provisions go beyond Canada’s obligations under international treaties.

Mr. Moore said the Tories will listen to what the Official Opposition NDP has to say, but he hinted the Conservatives aren’t expecting to compromise on digital locks.

“Unless it’s something that’s particularly stunning, I don’t see us moving,” the Heritage Minister said at a news conference with Industry Minister Christian Paradis. “We’ve heard all the arguments and we’re comfortable with our legislation.”

The bill is an exact copy of what the Conservative government tried to pass before the 2011 election.

The legislation, long sought by the U.S. government, seeks to put more teeth in copyright law for those who make software, movies and other creative works – and have seen their intellectual property increasingly pirated around the globe.

At the same time, the bill tries to soften the blow for consumers by legalizing commonplace but grey-area practices such as backing up the contents of a music CD, home recording of TV episodes for later viewing or copying legally acquired music to a digital player.

The centrepiece of the legislation, however, is the Conservative proposal to put new legal heft behind the digital locks, or encryptions, that copyright holders place on products such as movies, video games and electronic books. It would make it illegal to crack these in most cases, including for personal use.

This trumps consumer rights and means, for instance, that allowances for Canadians to back up or duplicate copyrighted works for personal use disappear if a digital lock is present.

Mr. Moore said the Tories are unwilling to modify the bill to allow an exemption from digital lock breaking penalties for personal use, such as making a backup copy of an encrypted DVD.

He said the Conservatives would rather let the market resolve consumer reaction to digital locks, suggesting if many buyers balk at them, companies would offer alternatives.

“The movie industry has digital locks on some films and not others ... An informed consumer makes the right choices. If people don’t want to buy a piece of software or a movie that has a digital lock, the don’t have to,” Mr. Moore said.

“It’s not that dissimilar from the organic food industry. If you want to buy organic food, buy organic food – and people will promote it that way,” he said.

“It’s not in the interest of the movie industry, the software industry, the video game industry to alienate and prosecute their customers. That’s not what they want to do. They want to engage with them in the marketplace,” the heritage minister said.

Film companies have prosecuted consumers though, most famously in the case of Americans who downloaded pirated copies of the Oscar-award winning film, the Hurt Locker.

The Tories held a news conference on the bill at the Ottawa office of a software developer Thursday, a move intended to drive home the message that cracking down on copyright infringement protects investment in Canada.

It targets big online pirates instead of individual freeloaders and would in fact lighten rather than increase maximum legal penalties for those who illegally download or upload copyrighted works on the Internet for non-commercial reasons.

The government is proposing to scale back the total legal damages that individual Canadians could incur for piracy of goods for personal use: to a maximum of $5,000 for all infringing activity, from an existing ceiling of up to $20,000 per protected work.

Instead, the bill would go after the big fish in Internet copyright infringement, giving copyright owners stronger legal tools to shut down “pirate websites” in Canada that support file-sharing and introducing a separate criminal penalty of up to $1-million for serious cases where commercially motivated pirates crack digital encryptions.

The Tories are also expanding a limited list of exceptions where Canadians will be able to break copyright for legal reasons, adding parody and satire and limited allowances for education.

In what might be called the YouTube exemption, Canadians also will be free to create video “mash-ups” that borrow from commercial works for posting online.

Ottawa is trying to update copyright law – which hasn't seen substantial amendments since 1997 – to reflect its obligations under international accords that have been toughened in the past decade.

The United States, home to Hollywood and a big software and music industry, has long pressed Canada to strengthen protections against piracy.

The bill also codifies in law the “notice and notice” regime that Canadian Internet service providers employ when their customers are accused of infringing a copyright. Instead of the U.S. approach, where American ISPs are encouraged to unilaterally remove material accused of infringing copyright, Canada will formalize a system where ISPs first notify customers of the alleged infringement.

Mr. Moore said the Tories hope to pass the legislation through the Commons before Christmas. He said the Conservative want to accelerate the timetable for passing the bill where possible.

Amazing how you can have two different articles writing about the exact same topic, yet are written in completely different tones. It's kinda interesting seeing the different writers biases.

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In the United States, lawyers representing movie studios have been seeking hundreds of thousands in damages from people suspected of pirating films. Courts in the U.S. can fine an individual up to $150,000 if they are caught illegally downloading a file.

Prior to Bill C-11, Canadians could be fined up to $20,000. The new maximum for damages to individuals is $5,000.

That would barely cover legal costs, which means frivolous lawsuits like the ones taking place in the U.S. are extremely unlikely.

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all i can say to the studios is, COME AT ME BRO.

fuck them.

My question is what did the RIAA accomplish by suing single mothers and kids who downloaded or shared music? Nothing.The RIAA didn't put a dent when it came to piracy. Law enforcement around world has shut down torrent sites and large pirate groups but still piracy is striving.

It's a war that can't be won by laws, yes it'll scary some from downloading content but the majority will continue to download content because a. it's free and b, it's too easy to obtain copyrighted content. Imo iTunes and other sites that provide content for a fairly responsible price have saved the music industry and I think we'll see record labels and movie studios provide music and movie content for cheap so people don't have to download illegal files but it's tough to price match free.

Never gonna pay for music, never gonna pay for movies.
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^ You're a fucking thief, plain and simple.
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The impact of this law is pretty retarded. Out at UBC, apparently they are hiring students to catch their profs/instructors when they hand out photocopied journal articles. What the profs are now doing is, they have to provide a website for the students to access these journal article materials now instead of just handing it to us in a note package.

Piracy for the government is a losing battle. Downloading torrents is pretty stupid. For the people that have been doing it for a long time they are using private ftp servers (which there are many of and cannot be accessed by anyone.)

I remember back in the day there was a dos sorta based program you would log into. I can't remember that damn name. I'm sure alot of people used that as well.

Things are only worth what people will pay for them. I'm happy paying to go to concerts and clubs for shows, even to the theatre even once in a while.

If one day recorded music ends up being a promotional tool for bands to tour on, with little to no intrinsic value, then so be it. I can see a subscription based model or iTunes-like model for access to ALL music taking over completely if disc sales bottom out eventually.

The film industry ties in product placement, toys, merch, and more to maximize profit. The movie theatre seems like it will be around for a while still, the experience offered is much more than the average person can get at home. I wouldn't be surprised for a subscription based or iTunes model to take over eventually when it comes to DVDs.

The industries will continue to thrive, and the guys that come out on top will be the ones that embrace the future.

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Originally Posted by dangonay (Post 7596504)

^ You're a fucking thief, plain and simple.
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serious question, so every song on your playlist and every movie on your hard drive, is bought?

if so, continue to have fun paying

if not, then STFU, hate people like you, being righteous and shit

I'm an audiophile. I need my quality.
Most services, all I would be getting is 70% of a song. The average listener on their crappy PC speaker systems, over-marketed Razer 7.1 gaming headsets or Dr. Dre Beats might not notice that last 30%, but I sure do.

If there are any sites out there that offer FLAC, I'd just right on it.
Anybody know of any?

As for piracy, I think the music industry needs to look to Valve.
Valve operates in the games industry, a market where the target audience is educated and tech savvy and there is rampant piracy. There is nothing they can do the stop piracy. But they still make BUTTLOADS of money because of the quality of their product.

As for the current and upcoming generations, we pretty much grew up with downloading everything. Music, TV shows, movies. Thief or not, most people do it thinking it's acceptable. We are now used to not having to sit through commercial breaks. No radio, no cable, not even youtube ads.

They need to find a better way to monetize and the industry needs to learn to reward their loyal customers. "Collector's" Edition swag would do it. Concert discounts too. But the current music industry is way too stubborn. The game industry have started doing things like Steel Case or shipping out little collectibles and it has proven to work.

The current music industry is just stubborn and has dug in their heels and refuse to change with the times.

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Originally Posted by dangonay (Post 7596504)

^ You're a fucking thief, plain and simple.
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I could be wrong but I find it hard to believe you don't have some movies, tv shows, or music on ur pc that was downloaded. Maybe I'm wrong though.

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Originally Posted by unit (Post 7596626)

or porn?

Don't give any ideas.

I can live without music or movies, but if porn becomes illegal to download, I will be the first to rise (pun intended), and lead an army against the machines, much like John Connor.
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winning the war on piracy is way more difficult than winning the war on drugs.

and we all know how the war on drugs is going lol.

As we've talked about in the past (well i have in at least 2 threads) the movie industry has actually grown not simply due to higher prices but because more people are going to the movies and buying movies (the mpaa in their biased analysis says piracy affects a small portion like 5-10%)

japanese govt research shows that piracy doesn't affect, negatively, their sales and has in some cases (when it comes to Anime) has Increased their sales

other research (insead) shows people who pirate, buy they're not just sitting there leeching their butts off they actually go out and purchase and even purchase what they've pirated

and when you look @ all 3 research reports that would suggest that its very true piraters also buy (so that 10% derived by the MPAA does that account for the view that piraters are actually going to the movies and buying blu-rays/dvds? prolly not)

so at least in the film industry i find it silly for them to be going after grandmas and 7yr old girls etc etc

but i understand they can't make it seem like they're A-Okay with everything in fear that piracy would explode

[with the music industry we all know how retarded they've been not moving with the times (digital media) + ridiculous prices and even now offering crappy quality music files]

I actually do buy some Blu Ray's on occasion. I just recently picked the 25th Anniversary Edition of Back to the Future 1-3 and The Pacific

i download blu-rays before they're released retail and when they're out for sale i buy em (ive got like 200blu-rays)

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Originally Posted by fsy82 (Post 7596542)

I remember back in the day there was a dos sorta based program you would log into. I can't remember that damn name. I'm sure alot of people used that as well.

irc?

Irc and... Isn't it still around?
Also, I've heard things about usenet.
but stay away from the deep net, I heard there are some pretty illegal things going on there.
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Piracy isn't even about piracy anymore, its about convenience and quality.

TV for example. You can have software that monitors, downloads, and alerts you to new TV shows running. This isn't even hidden, its right out in the open - ever heard of astraweb or giganews? Low cost (or free), pay services, operating in gray space. Never mind torrents and P2P software, access to content is rampant.. and you don't even have to share.

What drives me nuts is that companies like Telus, Shaw, and Rogers think they are leading edge in content delivery. The age of 'primetime tv' and 'scheduled programming' is dying and the dinosaurs are not keeping up.

I don't want to sit in front of my TV like a robot at a specific time and watch a show. I don't even want to PVR it and have to skip through commercials. I don't want to pay $10 a month for every package containing 1 HD channel and 5 crap SD channels I don't watch.

I want to watch TV seasons from 5 years ago, and catch up to where they are being aired now, with the touch a button.

I want to watch high quality, high bit rate 720p and 1080p TV, not this watered down low quality crap Shaw puts out.

I want to watch a show when its aired, not 3hrs later at 10pm just because we are on the West coast.

I want to watch my Formula 1 in an unbasterdized format, that doesn't have random commercial breaks in it at key moments in time (screw you TSN), and I want to watch it from a feed that actually cares about it (BBCone <3)

Oh wait - I can, just not through the cable companies. Give me a product that is good value for my money, and is technologically competent, and maybe you can have my money.

As for movies, when I can start paying based on how good the movie was, and getting a refund when it was udder shit, that's when things will change. A shit bag $5m comedy with some wash up from SNL shouldn't cost the same as a $200m blockbuster movie that won a stack of awards. Also, I shouldn't have to drive to movie store to be able to get blu-ray quality content, streaming needs to step it up a notch, and the cable companies sure aren't. It certainly isn't due to bandwidth, because the 100mbps connection they sell me could more then support it.

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Originally Posted by Vette Dood (Post 7596875)

This freaking post.

I rarely buy movies because once I have watched a movie I could care less about keeping it, it just takes up space on a shelf.

But if they want me to pay for streaming, I better get top notch image quality.

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Originally Posted by Ch28 (Post 7596781)

irc?

yep IRC