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What? There 10-month maternity leave in HK...but regardless, the point is that Filipino maids are treated incredibly poorly in a very second class citizen way. I've been to people's houses and seen the maid rooms that are literally closet-sized. If they're not outright mistreated, they're disregarded and seen as less than a person. They might be receiving higher pay than they would in their homeland but they're still being exploited and marginalized. It's obviously not slavery...they're being paid but the conditions aren't much better. The stories told in this thread about maids being mistreated aren't uncommon. Daycare expense might force many families to hire help but case such as this one reveal how much they want to keep these people under their foot rather than allowing them additional rights.
To be honest, what happens to Filipino maids has no real effect on me but seeing and hearing how they're treated in Hong Kong, I can't help but enjoy seeing their employers all pissed.
What did I tell you about replying will just make you look like an idiot?
FDH (not all are Filipinos) have their option to come to HK or not. This isn't US circa 1800, they are not slaves. They come here knowing they will be placed in a 1 bedroom (sometimes sharing) place in a house. They can choose NOT to come here if they don't want too. It's the same as anyone else going to another country for work, they have the option to go or not. Stop taking your western values of a big house into consideration. I live in HK in a small ass flat and pay just as much as a nice apartment would be back in Vancouver. Does that mean I have stepped down? No.
Yes there are a lot of bad stories you hear about helpers, but there are also good stories. But that isn't the issue, the fact is migration is everywhere and it's on people's free will. People from SEA countries line up to be helpers in HK because they know it is better off for them and their families. Things work different in HK than they do in Canada but it's the way it is here. With the medium income being so low, FDH is just part of the culture so stop being such a culture imperialist. Some people DO treat their FDH very kindly as well. Don't forget, they don't have to pay for food or shelter. If anything, I would divert my attention those who are working on minimal wage and still have larger expenses.
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Why do ppl feel sorry for these maids? They have a choice to be there and chose to because of the money. They make way more than back home.
Let's says I went to sum stupid rich country and made triple the average Canadian income a year as a housekeeper who lived in small quarters with no freedom, would you guys feel sorry for me?
He'll NO right? I can go back to Canada if I felt I wasn't treated fairly and quit the stinking job. Posted via RS Mobile
FDH (not all are Filipinos) have their option to come to HK or not. This isn't US circa 1800, they are not slaves. They come here knowing they will be placed in a 1 bedroom (sometimes sharing) place in a house. They can choose NOT to come here if they don't want too. It's the same as anyone else going to another country for work, they have the option to go or not. Stop taking your western values of a big house into consideration. I live in HK in a small ass flat and pay just as much as a nice apartment would be back in Vancouver. Does that mean I have stepped down? No.
Yes there are a lot of bad stories you hear about helpers, but there are also good stories. But that isn't the issue, the fact is migration is everywhere and it's on people's free will. People from SEA countries line up to be helpers in HK because they know it is better off for them and their families. Things work different in HK than they do in Canada but it's the way it is here. With the medium income being so low, FDH is just part of the culture so stop being such a culture imperialist. Some people DO treat their FDH very kindly as well. Don't forget, they don't have to pay for food or shelter. If anything, I would divert my attention those who are working on minimal wage and still have larger expenses.
I see your point, Western values and all but I don't hear many good stories about people treating their maids well. Even immigrants in Vancouver speak of the maids in quite a demeaning and somewhat racist tone. I don't know...I said I realize that they make more money in Hong Kong than they otherwise would but the issues brought up by this "industry" just seem to ride the fine line of human rights more often than not.
Why do ppl feel sorry for these maids? They have a choice to be there and chose to because of the money. They make way more than back home.
Let's says I went to sum stupid rich country and made triple the average Canadian income a year as a housekeeper who lived in small quarters with no freedom, would you guys feel sorry for me?
He'll NO right? I can go back to Canada if I felt I wasn't treated fairly and quit the stinking job. Posted via RS Mobile
I feel sorry because they HAVE to, not WANT to. Sure, they have a choice, but does making the right choice in a shitty situation subject you to be treated like an animal?
Not everyone is born in houses with silverspoons. People are set apart by different classes, but at the end of the day, we all shit the same way. The one thing we should ALL have in common is the right to be treated fair.
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Glad you woke up, this actually happens in a lot of threads. You get tons of misinformed, uneducated, or illogical comments. Taylor pointed this out, and based on the 2006 census only ~28% (25-34 age bracket) of the population have at least a bachelor's degree. It's even worse ~18% when you count the population from 15 and up. Plus you need to factor out those who slept through school and didn't learn anything. Not saying you need an education to be knowledgeable, but it tends to help a lot. The great thing is, if you have half a brain, you can evaluate every comment and know which ones to never take seriously.
No shit sherlock. How many 15-20 year olds would be done university by then? They'd be in university by 11-16. /facepalm Posted via RS Mobile
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No shit sherlock. How many 15-20 year olds would be done university by then? They'd be in university by 11-16. /facepalm Posted via RS Mobile
thanks for proving to everyone that you're a selective reader. you do know that 15 and up also counts everyone up to the oldest person in society right? The age brackets in the census are actually created by the StatsCan (i.e. 15 and up, 25-34, etc.), so I don't make them up but it does not go from 15-20 only like you imply. Everyone knows that people graduate HS at around ~17-18 and if done on time, can be out by 22, or 21 if your my uncle.
I think that the 25-34 category simply proves that more people now ~1/3 complete a 4yr degree, and the 15 and up also suggests that previously far fewer did so in the upper age brackets (i.e. your parents generation).
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thanks for proving to everyone that you're a selective reader. you do know that 15 and up also counts everyone up to the oldest person in society right? The age brackets in the census are actually created by the StatsCan (i.e. 15 and up, 25-34, etc.), so I don't make them up but it does not go from 15-20 only like you imply. Everyone knows that people graduate HS at around ~17-18 and if done on time, can be out by 22, or 21 if your my uncle.
I think that the 25-34 category simply proves that more people now ~1/3 complete a 4yr degree, and the 15 and up also suggests that previously far fewer did so in the upper age brackets (i.e. your parents generation).
If your 15 and up implies 15-100, then how relevant is your information to this thread? What proportion of revscene would be in the 30+ age bracket?
You're dealing with a population that I would say would be between 15-30, and you give stats for people who are from 15- 100. Don't post useless stats. Clearly your bachelor's degree, if you even have one didn't teach you what facts are applicable and which ones are irrelevant.
If you still don't understand why your argument is stupid, let me break it down for you.
Premise 1: Statscan shows that only 18% of Canadians 15+ have bachelor's degrees
Premise 2: Revscene members are Canadians
Conclusion: Only 18% of revscene members have bachelor's degrees.
EXCEPT REVSCENE MEMBERS =/= population aged 15+; therefore your argument fails... /facepalm
Why do ppl feel sorry for these maids? They have a choice to be there and chose to because of the money. They make way more than back home.
Let's says I went to sum stupid rich country and made triple the average Canadian income a year as a housekeeper who lived in small quarters with no freedom, would you guys feel sorry for me?
He'll NO right? I can go back to Canada if I felt I wasn't treated fairly and quit the stinking job. Posted via RS Mobile
The law is fair to them, HK basic law says whoever stayed in hk for 7 yrs are eligble to apply citizenship. The govt's only concern is the burden of social welfare needs to support these people. The Hongers are mad, when the lower class already get no benefit nowaday, their public housing application need to wait for 8-9 years; pregnant women get no space to deliver in local hospitals, these are not assumptions, but real facts. It's a large impact to get instant 200,000 population boom in an already packed city, and x4 for potential family members get instant free ticket to HK. However, the law is the law, I'd bring popcorn and ready for the CFA judgement.
BTW, the reality is, once these maid get the right of abode in Hong Kong, they will be protected by minium wage. Their basic salary will be jacked up 2x and it is unaffordable for most families, which menas they will lose their maid job then they all will have to find a place to live.
*picture below* This is where a lot of low class Hongers live.
The law is fair to them, HK basic law says whoever stayed in hk for 7 yrs are eligble to apply citizenship. The govt's only concern is the burden of social welfare needs to support these people. The Hongers are mad, when the lower class already get no benefit nowaday, their public housing application need to wait for 8-9 years; pregnant women get no space to deliver in local hospitals, these are not assumptions, but real facts. It's a large impact to get instant 200,000 population boom in an already packed city, and x4 for potential family members get instant free ticket to HK. However, the law is the law, I'd bring popcorn and ready for the CFA judgement.
BTW, the reality is, once these maid get the right of abode in Hong Kong, they will be protected by minium wage. Their basic salary will be jacked up 2x and it is unaffordable for most families, which menas they will lose their maid job then they all will have to find a place to live.
*picture below* This is where a lot of low class Hongers live.
I don't get it. You've made so many mind-numbingly stupid comments in this thread, then out of nowhere you make a good post like this. It's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr..... Well you know
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If your 15 and up implies 15-100, then how relevant is your information to this thread? What proportion of revscene would be in the 30+ age bracket?
You're dealing with a population that I would say would be between 15-30, and you give stats for people who are from 15- 100. Don't post useless stats. Clearly your bachelor's degree, if you even have one didn't teach you what facts are applicable and which ones are irrelevant.
If you still don't understand why your argument is stupid, let me break it down for you.
Premise 1: Statscan shows that only 18% of Canadians 15+ have bachelor's degrees
Premise 2: Revscene members are Canadians
Conclusion: Only 18% of revscene members have bachelor's degrees.
EXCEPT REVSCENE MEMBERS =/= population aged 15+; therefore your argument fails... /facepalm
You have to look at the context of my comments, yes it has nothing to do with the original topic, but this is a forum and sometimes comments can be directed at other comments within it, which is why I quoted so there wouldn't be misunderstandings. My comments were directed to this:
"this thread made me realize RS'ers really like to give verdicts on shit they know absolutely nothing about". If you've been around long enough I think you can agree with me here. I also tend to use the word "assume", highly likely/unlikely when im not 100% sure so people don't take my comments at face value.
While my facts can be independently verified, yours can't as they are all assumptions. Don't forget, we actually do have mature posters as well as younger ones. You're probably right that it is highly likely that the demographics here are younger (i.e. and if the entire RS was in the sample, it could not be an accurate representation of the population, Stats 101). Since your implying that the majority of the population here is likely to be 15-30, 1/3 of the 25-34 would be knowledgeable, while 1/3 of the 18-24 are in the process of acquiring knowledge. Even if we take the middle ground of ~18% of 15-24 and ~28% of 25-34, we would arrive at 23%. That still leaves a sizable population for why people leave comments that make no sense.
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To be honest, I agree with Asian_XL.
I would rather have the HK Government give more benefits to those who are worse off that are from HK. People become FDH because they often find it better in HK than their country of origin, just like other expats. Except FDH have it easier to come to HK compared to those who are on working visas.
Whether you are from Philippines, Indeoneasia, Malaysia or any other country, if you are a qualified worker with skills that can help contribute to HK's economy, you are more than welcome here on a working visa. But FDH come here on an easier visa and by allowing them ROA rights, what is to stop people from other countries who want to come to HK to do the same.
Regardless, expats or locals who employ FDH should treat them with respect. They are people, and they should be treated as such. They are the ones who are taking care of your most precious, why would you want to treat them like shit is beyond me. But this is another topic with nothing to do with giving them resident rights.
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this is a video news clip of filipino workers being abused in dubai, and its much worse than it is in HK cause they're actually getting beaten black and blue according interview sources
I don't get it. You've made so many mind-numbingly stupid comments in this thread, then out of nowhere you make a good post like this. It's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr..... Well you know
Protecting the hongers' interest is what the HK govt needs to do. As a Honger, I don't see why it get critizied for continuing the appeal to CFA. We have already learned a valuable lesson opening up the floodgate for mainlanders, so we shall not let the same nightmare happens again. Problem?
Go ahead and call us racists, some people have gone through the proper immigration procedures to become a Honger (like those Pakistans, Indians, Nepalese in HK) and HK offers absolute equal opportunties to them.
Off-topic question. Do Vietnamese refugees children who were born in hong-kong during the 1980s, where they relocated to a different country afterward, have hk-citizenship rights?
The problem is that it is way too easy for flipping maids to come to HK. Hongers just look at their photos, pick one, and these maids can now come to work as maids, without background checking and all that stuff. As a result they only got 1 star on their HKID
However article 24 of Basic Law lets them become PR after living for 7 years, with valid travel proof and place of residence... I can see the HK gov't using these 2 points to try overturning in CFA. Why should these maids enjoy equal PR application rights when professionals and bankers have it harder to enter HK.
Worst comes to worst, our CE will ask NPCSC to step in and give CFA the middle finger if we lose again, just like the Ng Ka Ling case.
No shit sherlock. How many 15-20 year olds would be done university by then? They'd be in university by 11-16. /facepalm Posted via RS Mobile
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If your 15 and up implies 15-100, then how relevant is your information to this thread? What proportion of revscene would be in the 30+ age bracket?
You're dealing with a population that I would say would be between 15-30, and you give stats for people who are from 15- 100. Don't post useless stats. Clearly your bachelor's degree, if you even have one didn't teach you what facts are applicable and which ones are irrelevant.
If you still don't understand why your argument is stupid, let me break it down for you.
Premise 1: Statscan shows that only 18% of Canadians 15+ have bachelor's degrees
Premise 2: Revscene members are Canadians
Conclusion: Only 18% of revscene members have bachelor's degrees.
EXCEPT REVSCENE MEMBERS =/= population aged 15+; therefore your argument fails... /facepalm
Dude, stop taking Philosophy. That shit is useless.
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The problem is that it is way too easy for flipping maids to come to HK. Hongers just look at their photos, pick one, and these maids can now come to work as maids, without background checking and all that stuff. As a result they only got 1 star on their HKID
However article 24 of Basic Law lets them become PR after living for 7 years, with valid travel proof and place of residence... I can see the HK gov't using these 2 points to try overturning in CFA. Why should these maids enjoy equal PR application rights when professionals and bankers have it harder to enter HK.
Worst comes to worst, our CE will ask NPCSC to step in and give CFA the middle finger if we lose again, just like the Ng Ka Ling case.
They do not get 1 start on their hkid, 1 star means the holder is under the age of 18 and is allowed a two way permit to mainland aka is a chinese national. Posted via RS Mobile
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The age brackets in the census are actually created by the StatsCan (i.e. 15 and up, 25-34, etc.), so I don't make them up but it does not go from 15-20 only like you imply. Everyone knows that people graduate HS at around ~17-18 and if done on time, can be out by 22, or 21 if your my uncle. 
Did you even read my first reply to this thread?
