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10-05-2011, 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Culverin  Sorry, I had a typo.
Should have read:
By the city, I mean Vancouver.
But by vertical growth, I mean less urban sprawl, more high rises like the ones that have popped up around Edmonds, Brentwood, Gilmore and Holdom.
I think you took it as to mean to commute out to Langley is a waste of time. Quite the opposite actually. I have nothing against you living in Langley.
I meant to say that living in Langley and commuting out to Downtown is a waste of time.
I totally agree with you on transit. But before that can happen, we need to push more jobs out of the downtown core, and into the other cities. Wouldn't you rather work in your own city than to drive across 3 to get to work? | Makes more sense now, fail removed.
I totally agree that more jobs should be pushed out of the downtown core, business doesn't need to be concentrated into a single area to be successful. The issue is that top earning professionals want access to the cities amenities in their off-time without spending a substantial amount of time in the car, and businesses doesn't want to locate themselves where employees don't want to live. Bringing us right back to needing improved transit options for Langley.
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So when they were putting the train through Vancouver, Burnaby, New West and Richmond everybody in the LML should kick in and pay for it. When they extend the train east of the fraser or into Coquitlam those residents should be soley responsible for the burden of paying it? Makes absolute sense..............if you live in Vancouver, Burnaby, New West or Richmond. 
In all honesty I don't even want the damm thing to come out here. I live in Cloverdale, 2 blocks west of Langley and I'd prefer the skytrain stays away. All it does it bring crime with it, I'll drive if I need to go somewhere.
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or just raise public transit costs... its already fucking cheap.
there is a shit load of taxes on the gas already.
god damn hippies
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10-05-2011, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by quasi So when they were putting the train through Vancouver, Burnaby, New West and Richmond everybody in the LML should kick in and pay for it. When they extend the train east of the fraser or into Coquitlam those residents should be soley responsible for the burden of paying it? Makes absolute sense..............if you live in Vancouver, Burnaby, New West or Richmond.
In all honesty I don't even want the damm thing to come out here. I live in Cloverdale, 2 blocks west of Langley and I'd prefer the skytrain stays away. All it does it bring crime with it, I'll drive if I need to go somewhere. |
just cause they rolled with failed logic in the past doesn't mean they should stick with it :P
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10-05-2011, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gars You guys need to stop focusing on what should have, could have been done. Bitching about how "we should have had an octopus system" is useless. PWC did an audit back in 2008, and found that the fare evasion only costs translink about $4-5 million a year. It would have cost us $170 million, plus $15 million a year to run a system similar to Octopus. That said - part of the fare evasion includes people hoping onto buses as well, which is not going to be stopped completely by having an octopus card |  $4-5 million per year... since 1986.. 25 years x $5mil/year... is $125 million lost.. and they will just continue losing money unless something is done.
Personally this topic has been beaten to death. All Translink goes after is people who drive. And it's really fucked because hey... I drive.. and now I'm also paying for you guys to take a skytrain I will NEVER use?
Toll bridges are 1 thing.. because that's understandable how the USER pays.. but this "tax the crap out of drivers on everything" is getting ridiculous.
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10-05-2011, 08:03 AM
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10-05-2011, 08:08 AM
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I'm getting sick of being nickle and dimed to live here.
I did some research on toll bridges(ok, I looked it up on wikipedia).
Of the toll bridges in Canada, there are 2 in Halifax at $1 a piece.
There are a bunch in Ontario. They ALL go to the United States. ALL of those bridges are equal or less in cost to what they will charge on the Port Mann/Goldenears/Patullo without transponder. And I'm not trying to go to a different country, I'm trying to go to work.
Now, let's spike a little gas tax again. Where the christ is the carbon tax?
There is only so far I'm willing to go to live here.
Carbon Tax, transit gas tax, tolls...which really are admission fees to the city.
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10-05-2011, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by melloman $4-5 million per year... since 1986.. 25 years x $5mil/year... is $125 million lost.. and they will just continue losing money unless something is done. | the PWC audit was done in 2007. They estimated the loss of revenue of the skytrain to be about $3.4 Million, buses to be about $2.7 Million.
Operating costs of an "Octopus" system is $15 Million A YEAR. You do the math. And no, the bus system will not gain back the majority of that $2.7 Million lost with an Octopus system. The skytrain system as well - includes fraudulent passes - such as people using a bought U-Pass - something that won't be stopped by a turnstile system, unless you want to install retina scanners. Quote:
Originally Posted by Gridlock I'm getting sick of being nickle and dimed to live here.
I did some research on toll bridges(ok, I looked it up on wikipedia).
Of the toll bridges in Canada, there are 2 in Halifax at $1 a piece.
There are a bunch in Ontario. They ALL go to the United States. ALL of those bridges are equal or less in cost to what they will charge on the Port Mann/Goldenears/Patullo without transponder. And I'm not trying to go to a different country, I'm trying to go to work.
Now, let's spike a little gas tax again. Where the christ is the carbon tax?
There is only so far I'm willing to go to live here.
Carbon Tax, transit gas tax, tolls...which really are admission fees to the city. | Toronto does have the 407 which is a toll express highway. You can either pay to go on that, or go with all the heavy traffic on the 405.
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10-05-2011, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MindBomber Respectfully, I doubt either of you have ever spent a substantial amount of time in Langley, much less lived there. Your comments are based on assumption, not actual knowledge.
The density in the majority of Langley is equal to any other city in the GVRD outside of the DT core and continually growing, the demand for transit exists, is massive and only growing. The areas that are low density are farmland and acreage, on the outer cusps of Langley and relatively insignificant. | I reckon that a comparison of the average size of lots in your typical East Vancouver neighbourhood to any housing development in the rest of the GVRD built in the last 20 years would tilt in favour of the latter. I'm not talking just about the concentration of high rises, but the design of neighbourhoods and the corresponding sprawl. Quote: |
If Translink was smart, they would build us some real freaking park and rides.
| Park and rides are a pretty inefficient use of space. If Translink bought a swath of land, wouldn't it make more sense for it to develop commercial and/or residential buildings on that land that would generate long-term revenue rather than provide a park and ride that would generate very little?
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10-05-2011, 09:40 AM
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Either way... when it comes to Translink.
Everybody except Translink loses.
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10-05-2011, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by goo3 Transit in Langley = waste of money. Don't underestimate just busy a route has to be in order for it to break even. We're not paying for Chinese drivers, Chinese buses, Chinese construction, and Chinese maintenance.
If you live out there, drive your car then park 'n ride. | I live in Langley and used to work in Vancouver. The closest park and ride is at King George. The amount it costs to park and pay for a ticket ends up being more than simply paying a toll. Plus by the time I would get out there, I've already driven half way to Vancouver. Its ultimately cheaper both in money and time to drive the entire way. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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10-05-2011, 10:56 AM
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#37 | | MiX iT Up!
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Originally Posted by Armind Regional mayors met The Province's editorial board on Oct. 4 to discuss the proposed gas tax to pay for TransLink upgrades. Pictured is (from left to right): Dianne Watts from Surrey, Peter Fassbender from Langley, Pam Goldsmith-Jones from West Vancouver, Richard Stewart from Coquitlam and Gregor Robertson from Vancouver.
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Get ready to fork over another two cents a litre for gas tax.
Several Metro Vancouver mayors said Tuesday they have the votes necessary to approve a gas tax increase for transportations improvements at a crucial meeting on Friday.
“We believe a good strong majority of mayors will support this,” Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson told The Province editorial board Tuesday. “It is an investment which is crucial for the economy and livability of the region.”
Surrey Mayor Dianne Watts agreed.
“This is the right thing to do. In another 20 years there will be another million people in the region. We have to get this done,” she said.
Robertson and Watts both indicated a majority of the region’s 22 mayors are supporting a TransLink plan called Moving Forward.
The plan would provide funding to finish the long-awaited Evergreen SkyTrain line to Coquitlam, as well as other transportation improvements.
The mayors are voting on the plan at the Mayor’s Council on Regional Transportation on Friday.
The support of Vancouver and Surrey, the region’s two largest cities, is vital. Their votes, plus a handful of other mayors who have also committed themselves, virtually guarantee that the plan will pass.
Vancouver’s and Surrey’s votes count for more than the others because the tallies are pro-rated on the basis of populations.
The mayors say their approval of the funding mechanism will also result in $20 million annually for major road network improvements, $6 million for cycling and significantly expanded bus service hours totalling 425,000 hours region-wide.
Mayors in Burnaby, Richmond and the Langley Township have stated their opposition to the plan. They say it doesn’t go far enough to address funding problems for transportation in the future. |
LOL WUT??
Somebody explain why car drivers need to subsidize cyclists?
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10-05-2011, 11:26 AM
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My next prediction on more upcoming fee is ICBC will start making cyclist pay for fucking insurance. Reason? well is seem like is gonna cost us a fucking arm and leg to drive in the furture. So those fucker are not gonna make any money and will start some sort of tantrum bullshit. Road will gone and be will replace by the $6 million for cycling project Those fucking cyclist are using the road they should pay. We hit them we pay. They hit us we pay for deductable. They need to insure their own shit. Or i'm just gonna fuck up their bike with my beater and give them middle finger and say why? fuck you that's why.
That is why they called the fucking circle of life. Cause one shit will start eating another shit when shit happen.
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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld LOL WUT??
Somebody explain why car drivers need to subsidize cyclists? | Just as I read that, I looked out my office window from Bentall 3 all the way down the Dunsmuir bike lane, not one single cyclist/bike using it  | |
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10-05-2011, 11:39 AM
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LOL BS....in rush hours the train is crazy full all the time... imagine when the people from port moody, coquitlam, poco get in the trains FIRST..... the cities PAYING for the extension get SHAFTED.
fantastic!!!!
and why the hell am i paying for it when i'm driving a car and not transit???
INCREASE the cost of the additional zones... like from poco you need 4zones now because you gotta pay for the damn extension!!!
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10-05-2011, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Anjew LOL BS....in rush hours the train is crazy full all the time... imagine when the people from port moody, coquitlam, poco get in the trains FIRST..... the cities PAYING for the extension get SHAFTED.
fantastic!!!!
and why the hell am i paying for it when i'm driving a car and not transit???
INCREASE the cost of the additional zones... like from poco you need 4zones now because you gotta pay for the damn extension!!! | I hope you were singing the same tune when the Canada Line got built cause we all payed for that and I rarely go to Richmond.
I actually don't even want the Skytrain over here - the fewer people the better.
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10-05-2011, 11:49 AM
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actually i saw the richmond line easier to take down since it connected with the airport as well.
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Because they dont pay tax on houses and because they are most likely to be using public transit?  Quote:
Originally Posted by FerrariEnzo why not just tax all the rich people instead... like all the mainlanders buying up all the damn houses... | | |
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10-05-2011, 01:56 PM
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10-05-2011, 03:48 PM
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#45 | | Wanna have a threesome?
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Originally Posted by Tapioca I reckon that a comparison of the average size of lots in your typical East Vancouver neighbourhood to any housing development in the rest of the GVRD built in the last 20 years would tilt in favour of the latter. I'm not talking just about the concentration of high rises, but the design of neighbourhoods and the corresponding sprawl. | Go for a drive in Langley and check out the lots sizes of new developments.
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10-05-2011, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MindBomber Go for a drive in Langley and check out the lots sizes of new developments. | Exactly, take a drive through my neighbourhood and it's just as if not more dense then most neighbourhoods in Vancouver and it's not even close. The exception to the rule would be downtown with all the highrise apartments, we don't have highrises out here.
My sons school has 7 full kindergarten classes and according to the school they have yet to peak they expect more growth over the next 4 years. How many does your average Vancouver school have?
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10-05-2011, 04:59 PM
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#47 | | Wanna have a threesome?
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Originally Posted by quasi Exactly, take a drive through my neighbourhood and it's just as if not more dense then most neighbourhoods in Vancouver and it's not even close. The exception to the rule would be downtown with all the highrise apartments, we don't have highrises out here.
My sons school has 7 kindergarten classes and according to the school they have yet to peak they expect more growth over the next 4 years, how many does your average Vancouver school have? | No, not exactly, new construction in Langley is all extremely high density and construction of new developments increasing density is constant. The density in the core of Langley and Cloverdale is equal to anywhere in the GVRD that doesn't have high rises. When I began high school in 2001 in Langley my high school had 1100 students, when I graduated that had increased to 2800 students.
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Makes me want to go for a drive to fill up with gas in Blaine now.
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10-05-2011, 05:49 PM
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Tax the people who drive, so that they can pay for the people who transit  | |
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