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Old 10-21-2011, 10:57 PM   #1
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Witness after crash, questions.

Had a crash on Barnet today. I was driving a family members van. After taking this slight turn I hit a rather large puddle of water on the road right after. The rear started to hydroplane, just as I let off the gas the car started to skid right towards the barrier. I was in the right lane. I tried to regain control but car ended up hitting a pole and spinning to a stop about 50 feet later. I was driving flow of traffic with a few cars. It was also pooring rain. Was doing something like 80/85km. Speed limit is 80km.

Two witnesses stayed behind till cops arrived from what I was told. One said "you were going a bit fast". Guy seemed like a douche he didn't ask even if I was alright, just ignored me. Why make the situation worst for me since it was a SELF accident, no others involved. Other just explained what he saw.

So because of what one guy said that speed COULD OF been a factor, would that really ruin my chances with this case? I told the real story of what happened to the paramedics on the scene, hospital, cop that came to the hospital, and when I called ICBC just a couple hours ago. Or would they say speed not safe for road conditions? I drive up and down barnet almost every day and experienced all weather conditions for the last few years.

I have an appointment with the claims adjuster later next week. I'm class 5 with about 15/20% discount. Is there any chance my rates won't be affected after the car is written off? or will they be :/ ...... and car is not getting repaired for sure. Just look at the pic.

I'm just looking for what I should expect. I never had previous accident in my years of driving so my record is clean. Will they take that into consideration? thanks..



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did you get any tickets from the cops?

they wouldn't really change what happens with icbc anyway, you write off a van, insurance goes up 6 steps (since youre less than 25%), depending whos insurance you want going up.

sucks man, I've been there.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:13 PM   #3
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No tickets from the cops.

I didn't speak with any cops on the scene. One came to visit me at the hospital to get the story.


insurance going up 6 step, exactly meaning how much?
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Read this:
ICBC | The claim-rated scale

Then use this as reference:

ICBC | crs.pdf

Depending on where you are currently, you'll move a potential 6 steps. Although it is a write-off, I'm not sure you're automatically moving 6 steps. But if you're at 15% only, you're moving 6 steps. If you're at 20%, you'll move 5.

From 15% off you'll move to 30% surcharge
From 20% off you'll move to 10% surcharge

Glad you're alright though and everyone is safe.
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insurance will most likely go up 6 steps which would put you at +30%; not too bad, good to hear you're okay bro
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Hope you're okay, man.

When I was in an accident the other driver was driving extremely fast, far to fast for conditions (snow), I had a witness testify to that. It wasn't enough to sway the decision of ICBC though, because the witnesses estimation of speed was not reliable enough. Unless the jerk off witness is able to give a solid testimony, he was pacing you based on his own speedometer for example, I doubt it will have much effect. Especially if the other witness doesn't corroborate. That's just based on my experience.
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since its a family members car, the insurance hit would go on the policy owner of the van no?
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if it's a self accident, icbc will deem it your fault 100%. They state that the driver must be in control 100% of the time. Which we all know is BS because in a moving vehicle, you are NEVER in control 100% of the time.
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if it's a self accident, icbc will deem it your fault 100%. They state that the driver must be in control 100% of the time. Which we all know is BS because in a moving vehicle, you are NEVER in control 100% of the time.
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Depending on the conditions sometimes icbc will rule no fault, but rain probably isn't enough for that.
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Premiums definitely going to go up, especially since its a write-off, ICBC is going to get their money back one way or another. And the surcharge will be applied to you, and your license, not the vehicle or family member. Also the surcharge levels can vary I was at -10% discount and went up to +40% surcharge. Surcharge drops 10% every year...
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Premiums definitely going to go up, especially since its a write-off, ICBC is going to get their money back one way or another. And the surcharge will be applied to you, and your license, not the vehicle or family member. Also the surcharge levels can vary I was at -10% discount and went up to +40% surcharge. Surcharge drops 10% every year...
Yeah I was under that impression that it would affect me not anyone else, since I was the opperator of the vehicle.

I'm at either -15 or 20% now.
I'm paying $200 month for my 2DR Coupe sports car... I wonder what the outcome will be after this is all done......

thanks for the help. I'll see what happens soon.
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The insurance hit will depend on a few factors such as who is the owner of the vehicle in question, who the driver is, which policy is renewed first etc.

My experience tells me it will go after whoever renews their policy first if the owner of the van keeps that exact policy. Since the van is totaled, say they buy a new car next week and insure it under the same policy, then whoever renews their policy first will take the hit. So if your due date is before your family member's due date, then you will take the hit on renewal, and vice versa.

I am not too sure on how it would work if they cancel and take out a new policy, but I think it won't make much difference. ICBC would want to recupe their costs as soon as possible and take it out on whoever renews first be it owner or driver. Maybe some one that works at ICBC can chime in.

And it would ding only one policy at a time, unless you do some tricky renewal procedures to try and push it to a later date like insuring multiple cars and cancelling. Not recommended though as ICBC do catch them, and its insurance fraud, or something.
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if it wasnt for unlevel road it wouldnt create puddle. for that guy who mentioned that u wer going a bit fast is the usually cost stupid long ass traffic coz they cant drive on any weather other than summer.
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my insurance wasn't affected.
vans registered owner was, it will be about an extra $400 total over the next 3 year period.
still waiting to hear back about the payout on the van though.

thanks for the help..
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if it wasnt for unlevel road it wouldnt create puddle. for that guy who mentioned that u wer going a bit fast is the usually cost stupid long ass traffic coz they cant drive on any weather other than summer.
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my insurance wasn't affected.
vans registered owner was, it will be about an extra $400 total over the next 3 year period.
still waiting to hear back about the payout on the van though.

thanks for the help..
Did the owner already insure another vehicle for his insurance to go up? Or...?

I'm guessing because there was no other party involved your insurance did not go up?
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That's what the claims adjuster told us at ICBC claims center today. That the registered owner would just have to pay a bit more on their insurance. Roughly $400 over 3 year period. And that my insurance wouldn't be affected.
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read 1exotic's thread again and ull get my point.
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$400 over 3 years doesn't seem too bad at all
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