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Psykopathik 11-03-2011 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bahhbeehhaaaa (Post 7674549)
how many years of experience in operating a plane in order to perform such maneuver?

none. you don't get to practice crashing lol!:nyan:

Gumby 11-03-2011 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbo E (Post 7674755)
none. you don't get to practice crashing lol!:nyan:

That's what flight simulators are for - anything from MS Flight Simulator to the super expensive ones used by industry! :p

AzNightmare 11-03-2011 09:00 AM

Would have been more cool of a video if we could have seen the plane do the actual landing, rather than it sliding to a halt.

None the less, a great story, and great piloting skills.

GabAlmighty 11-03-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bahhbeehhaaaa (Post 7674550)
i mean like... the plane gotta be 100% aligned with the runway .. and why doesn't it tip to the side?

Engines held it up
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Originally Posted by keitaro (Post 7674557)
That Jetblue airplane was an A320-200. Nose gear did come down and lock, it just failed to rotate the wheel assembly into the proper position.

The B767 isn't a very high tech aircraft. It's more of a hybrid when it comes to computer and mechanical systems. This is in comparison to an aircraft such as the B777 which has computers controlling everything (even the toilets). A lot of the boxes in the B767 are used to monitor sensors. Only a few systems do have computers, such as auto flight, warning electronics, flight controls, engines (depending on model and variants used) to name a few...

Sorry, you're right I forgot that's what happened. The point I was trying to make is that "typically" it's not too hard to pull off assuming there aren't any other situational factors.

And to me it's a computer. My dream is a cub style plane, i'll be happy flying caravans for the rest of my life. No interest in sitting in a char and monitoring systems. If i'm getting paid to fly, I wanna, well, fly the fucking thing :p

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Originally Posted by no_mercy (Post 7674582)
You cannot maintain directional control once you've touched down nor reverse thrust due to the engine is almost immediately shutdown upon touch down to reduce the likelihood of a fire. In addition, the strobe lights are turned off upon touchdown.

True on the engines, forgot that minor detail haha. You can maintain directional control with the rudder... Atleast the last time I landed I used it to stay straight...

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 7674786)
That's what flight simulators are for - anything from MS Flight Simulator to the super expensive ones used by industry! :p

Flight simulators are not for learning how to land an airplane.

Gumby 11-03-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GabAlmighty (Post 7675707)
Flight simulators are not for learning how to land an airplane.

Huh? Can you not practice landing a plane using a flight simulator?

Regardless, I was joking that on a flight simulator, you could crash repeatedly and not cause any real damage.

GabAlmighty 11-03-2011 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 7675772)
Huh? Can you not practice landing a plane using a flight simulator?

Sure but it's nothing at all like a real plane haha.

no_mercy 11-03-2011 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GabAlmighty (Post 7675707)

True on the engines, forgot that minor detail haha. You can maintain directional control with the rudder... Atleast the last time I landed I used it to stay straight...



Flight simulators are not for learning how to land an airplane.


Yes all my landings use rudder control and all aspect of my flight as well but there's a significant difference in the situation when landing with no gear and with gear.

When the 767 landed, the momentum and friction will most definitely overcome the rudder authority. I don't believe the forces from the rudder due to the airflow is significant enough to move the aircraft. As a result, the approach better be damn straight because there's practically no directional control once landed.


And simulators are for learning to land a plane... pilots were required to go on sims to do the approach and land in kaitak with all sorts of conditions.

Those things are able to certify pilots on commercial aircrafts. pretty darn close to the actual thing if you ask me.

GabAlmighty 11-03-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by no_mercy (Post 7675864)
When the 767 landed, the momentum and friction will most definitely overcome the rudder authority. I don't believe the forces from the rudder due to the airflow is significant enough to move the aircraft. As a result, the approach better be damn straight because there's practically no directional control once landed.
And simulators are for learning to land a plane... pilots were required to go on sims to do the approach and land in kaitak with all sorts of conditions.

Those things are able to certify pilots on commercial aircrafts. pretty darn close to the actual thing if you ask me.

There, that's better.

If you say so but I have to dissagree. Not that i've been in any of the worlds most advanced sims. In my limited experiene they're still nothing compared to the real thing. Even the DND sims were fubar'd.

t8v6 11-03-2011 10:16 PM

wow. that's one smooth landing. pilot deserves a promotion and a raise.

BillyBishop 11-04-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GabAlmighty (Post 7675879)
Not that i've been in any of the worlds most advanced sims. In my limited experiene they're still nothing compared to the real thing. Even the DND sims were fubar'd.

I've flown Air Canada's A330 sim at YVR. I can't comment on the actual flight characteristics (having never flown a real 330), but the motions felt damn real. I've spent a number of hours in SLA's DA42 sim too; it's just like flying in MSFS with a full cockpit. Good for procedures/IFR practice, but not hands-on flying.

GabAlmighty 11-05-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Boundless (Post 7676725)
I've flown Air Canada's A330 sim at YVR. I can't comment on the actual flight characteristics (having never flown a real 330), but the motions felt damn real. I've spent a number of hours in SLA's DA42 sim too; it's just like flying in MSFS with a full cockpit. Good for procedures/IFR practice, but not hands-on flying.

This

keitaro 11-05-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Boundless (Post 7676725)
I've flown Air Canada's A330 sim at YVR. I can't comment on the actual flight characteristics (having never flown a real 330), but the motions felt damn real. I've spent a number of hours in SLA's DA42 sim too; it's just like flying in MSFS with a full cockpit. Good for procedures/IFR practice, but not hands-on flying.

Did you have full motion on for the sim? I've talked to guys at work that have used the sim for ground run up training (maintenance), and the thing feels pretty real even without the motion being turned on.

BillyBishop 11-05-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by keitaro (Post 7677519)
Did you have full motion on for the sim? I've talked to guys at work that have used the sim for ground run up training (maintenance), and the thing feels pretty real even without the motion being turned on.

Yeah, it was amazing. Hurtling down the runway on take-off and I was actually pressed into my seat. Abrupt attitude changes in the air and I felt my weight shifting about in my seat. On landing, I felt the little bumps of the runway lights as they passed under my wheels. I flew it at "night" so it even looked pretty damn real. (Not much to see haha.)

metal 11-05-2011 11:09 PM

Yea, get into any Level D sim or anything that a large airline would use for training, and tell me that it isn't almost spot on for feeling compared to real world.

keitaro 11-07-2011 02:40 PM


Onboard footage of landing and evac.


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