Restaurant in Japan -- real monkeys work as waiters!

[bloodmack]

Originally Posted by Shades

Dude,

I'm just painting the picture that servers do more than your "typical modicum" of 1 to 3.

Are you trying to convince people servers should be paid the same as McDonald's employees?

If you see these server responsibilities as non issues, you're probably a really good host at your parties. Serious compliment. But let me ask you, how many shitty parties have you been to, where drinks aren't refilled, food didn't come, the host was drunk, cat hair everywhere, the house smells like farts etc.

I think we all understand what a waiter goes through but, at the end of the day the reason why its a minimum wage job is because the skill set required to be one isn't that great. Being social and cleaning? Not hard, I do it everyday.

[GabAlmighty]

Originally Posted by Noir

yep. I'm pulling a taylor192

[twitchyzero]

how many fucking tipping debates do we need on revscene?

[CRS]

How the hell did a thread about monkeys being servers turn into a thread about the merits of being a server to the merits of gratuity?!

[Noir]

Originally Posted by CRS

How the hell did a thread about monkeys being servers turn into a thread about the merits of being a server to the merits of gratuity?!

Because Skinny said this:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I have been to quite a few restaurants where the staff could easily be replaced by monkeys

For all the shit he gets... he's seriously a necessary evil.

[achiam]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa

safeway cashiers make more (9.50) than servers an hour (8.75) and all they do is stand and do diddly shit. How hard is it to scan, collect and bag? ....servers constantly run around, take shit from customers, take shit from cooks.

and you have to take in consideration that when you tip your not just tipping the server but your tipping EVERYONE that busts there ass at the restaurant so if the server fucks up everyone in the restaurant gets a shitty tip.

The kids at McDicks/Burger King work with far less downtime than a normal restaurant. I know because I've worked in both The Keg and a food court environment - the food court is FAR harsher. The only difference is that at The Keg you had to be nicer and polite. By this token, I think tipping is ridiculous.

PS: about 8 years into the future after working at The Keg, I was on the corneal transplant team at VGH. I helped remove donor eye tissues with other corneal surgeons, and we literally brought sight back to the blind. I was incredulous as to why we weren't "tipped" for a job that was far more intense than dealing with angry customers!

[donjalapeno]

Originally Posted by Noir

Someone who thinks that knowing you're product, managing team dynamics with co-workers or management, and utilizing appropriate professional vocabulary for occupational or sales setting aren't complex requirements in a job setting but rather... standard.

Checkmate brah.

Okay well you just listed things that you said before. Just because you THINK something doesn't mean your qualified to criticize someones occupational background. The things you just stated all come in time.

Guy uses big words and spends time to make his paragraph look neat so that he could look smart, yet 5000 posts in and still cant find the multi quote function.

Originally Posted by achiam

The kids at McDicks/Burger King work with far less downtime than a normal restaurant. I know because I've worked in both The Keg and a food court environment - the food court is FAR harsher. The only difference is that at The Keg you had to be nicer and polite. By this token, I think tipping is ridiculous.

PS: about 8 years into the future after working at The Keg, I was on the corneal transplant team at VGH. I helped remove donor eye tissues with other corneal surgeons, and we literally brought sight back to the blind. I was incredulous as to why we weren't "tipped" for a job that was far more intense than dealing with angry customers!

Well,

I worked at various fast food chains, a shit load of full service restaurants in various positions and I'm studying hospitality management and i could tell you that there is no way in hell that a little food court restaurant is intense and demanding than a full service restaurant, its just not. Customers don't expect a really really high quality of food/service in a fast food chain and food takes 1min to 2min to be ready and in the hands of the customer where as in a full service restaurant customers expect a high quality of service and food and expect you to not fuck up when all the food is made from scratch. Doesnt matter of the volume of customers when the same amount of customers expect more.


and just the thought of giving peoples vision back is far better than any gratuity.

[604778]

Shiet.. Now I know what's the new saying going to be at the kitchen I work at, we do have some pretty dumb waitresses.

[Meowjin]

lol.... you guys would hate if you knew how much I made as a bathroom attendant. Best job i've ever held.

[GabAlmighty]

After reading this thread I've determined that servers are arrogant, self righteous pre-madonna's and seem to think their job is the shiznit yo.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa

what makes me qualified? i worked both as a server and as a cashier at save on foods and when your dealing with

1. hungry customers
2. picky customers
3. arrogant customers
4.impatient customers
5. slightly intoxicated customers

its much more stressful and its 10x harder because typically your serving 7-8 tables with a average of 4 guests per table that's dealing with 32 picky/hungry/arrogant customers, memorizing what each guest ordered ( they get all fussy when you hand them the wrong plate of food), making sure the cooks don't fuck up, making sure the bussers don't fuck up and take wrong plates, making sure the expos don't fuck up because every little mistake is drawn towards you (the server). Even guests that had there order mixed up tipped me because they knew i was busting my ass trying to please everyone's needs.

What you've listed is all part of your job as a server, not an added difficulty TO your job.

Sorry, but you have to deal with asshole customers in almost ANY job. I have to deal with them in MY job too, except in my job the stakes are a lot higher when you're talking huge sums of money. I don't expect to be supplemented income for it.

You're not going to get the sympathy vote from me.

To clarify, I tip, usually well. But I'm playing devil's advocate because I find our society's guidelines for tipping quite rediculous in a lot respects.

[achiam]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa

Okay well you just listed things that you said before. Just because you THINK something doesn't mean your qualified to criticize someones occupational background. The things you just stated all come in time.

Guy uses big words and spends time to make his paragraph look neat so that he could look smart, yet 5000 posts in and still cant find the multi quote function.



Well,

I worked at various fast food chains, a shit load of full service restaurants in various positions and I'm studying hospitality management and i could tell you that there is no way in hell that a little food court restaurant is intense and demanding than a full service restaurant, its just not. Customers don't expect a really really high quality of food/service in a fast food chain and food takes 1min to 2min to be ready and in the hands of the customer where as in a full service restaurant customers expect a high quality of service and food and expect you to not fuck up when all the food is made from scratch. Doesnt matter of the volume of customers when the same amount of customers expect more.


and just the thought of giving peoples vision back is far better than any gratuity.

This little food court stand had non-stop flow from open to close. Zero down time.

[ursher]

Originally Posted by GabAlmighty

Fuck's your point? Try being responsible for people's lives...

My point is it's easier said than done.

Try being responsible for people's lives..?? wtf are they suppose to be paramedics as well?

[Phil@rise]

Originally Posted by Great68

So why do we tip servers at a restaurant like White Spot, but not at McDonalds? Do they not deserve the better opportunity to make a decent living?

I've never been to a McDicks where they come to your table take your order and then serve it to you.
As for me anytime I see I tip jar I use it.

[GabAlmighty]

Originally Posted by ursher

My point is it's easier said than done.

Try being responsible for people's lives..?? wtf are they suppose to be paramedics as well?

No, I really don't think so.

It means, being a server is easier and not very stressful in comparison to other jobs. Such as a job where you are responsible for possibly saving someones life. I'm sorry if what I said confused you, I tried to explain it more clearly this time around.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa

Okay well you just listed things that you said before. Just because you THINK something doesn't mean your qualified to criticize someones occupational background. The things you just stated all come in time.

Guy uses big words and spends time to make his paragraph look neat so that he could look smart, yet 5000 posts in and still cant find the multi quote function.

1. I am well past the "entry-level" phase in my professional career. I am WELL QUALIFIED to criticize that aspect of the job field.

2. Using the lack of multi-quoting is like making fun of someone's grammar/spellling in an argument. It shows signs that your argument lacks steam and you're starting to reek of desperation justifications.

Originally Posted by Soltaaa

Well,

I worked at various fast food chains, a shit load of full service restaurants in various positions and I'm studying hospitality management and i could tell you that there is no way in hell that a little food court restaurant is intense and demanding than a full service restaurant, its just not. Customers don't expect a really really high quality of food/service in a fast food chain and food takes 1min to 2min to be ready and in the hands of the customer where as in a full service restaurant customers expect a high quality of service and food and expect you to not fuck up when all the food is made from scratch. Doesnt matter of the volume of customers when the same amount of customers expect more.


and just the thought of giving peoples vision back is far better than any gratuity.

1. You're not a cook. Expedience of food prep is not your dept. There's a reason why tipping is split with the kitchen.

2. Considering your entitlement attitude, and how you quantify your typical job tasks as if they were specialty tasks already, you sound like one of those waiters who EXPECT tips just because your job as you say is already intrinsically difficult; not because you went above and beyond your job performance.

What's next, are you expecting tips for not spitting on people's food?

[AzNightmare]

I just simply think the whole idea of tipping is flawed.

Originally Posted by Drow

LMAO you make it sound like its not qualified for the average person. Those are simple tasks which just require alertness and physical capability. What you described are just the basic job descriptions for being a server. You should not be tipped if you did just those. If you can bring me my food and drink in a timely manner, keep my drink filled, fulfill my requests with haste, seem like a happy presentable person, check with me every now and then to see if i need anything else, THEN i would leave you a hearty tip.

I would think this should be PART OF THE JOB of being a server, and their wage the restaurant pays covers this. (I also think restaurants don't pay their servers enough in this case, but that's a whole new topic).

The logic behind tipping to me is as if I'm going to work. I should get tips for showing up on time. I should get more tips if I get my work done on time. I guess those aren't expected when I got hired, and apparently my salary doesn't cover that already??

I'm not going to argue about the difficulty of being a server. I never was one.
Whether it's hard work or not, it's not a profession that requires education. Any monkey off the street could do it. There probably are some office jobs that might be less stressful and hectic. But in the end of the day, education pays off. And sometimes the phrase "to work so hard for so little" applies here.

[Sid Vicious]

why should i pay someone to bring food to my table?

i can do that myself

[sonick]

Originally Posted by GabAlmighty

pre-madonna's

[Noir]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

I would think this should be PART OF THE JOB of being a server, and their wage the restaurant pays covers this. (I also think restaurants don't pay their servers enough in this case, but that's a whole new topic).

That's the thing though. Restaurants with more comprehensive service already reflect this with their prices (along with the quality of their food). That's the difference between restaurants in the $8 - $12 range per dish vs those that are say $18 - $35 per dish, moreso with restaurants with $50+ per dish.

If the restaurant is charging premium prices per dish but still only gives min. wage to servers yet still expects 5 star service in return... well, that's a business flaw.

[HondaGuy]

Like skinnypup said, some waiters/waitress at restaurants I visited should be replaced with monkeys. Their poor attitude and service really upsets me when I'm ordering, they always looks so grumpy, its like I'm troubling them or something...but c'mon its your job.

Customer service goes a long way...if I acted like them, I wouldnt be able to sell homes/managing properties at all.

[Presto]

Originally Posted by Noir

If the restaurant is charging premium prices per dish but still only gives min. wage to servers yet still expects 5 star service in return... well, that's a business flaw.

That's not flawed at all. The server's tips goes up with the cost of the food. Premium service for premium tips.

[achiam]

Originally Posted by Presto

That's not flawed at all. The server's tips goes up with the cost of the food. Premium service for premium tips.

I think greater than half the world's countries operate without tips. When servers in these countries are rude or deliver sub-par service something more logical happens -- they get fired!

[murmur]

"The monkeys are family pets who have been allowed to help in the bar. Animal rights regulations mean the premises have been visited to ensure the creatures are not being mistreated."

if chinese restaurants use monkeys as waiters, animal-rights activists would be lining up to sue them.