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Old 12-29-2011, 03:23 PM   #1
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Old 12-29-2011, 03:28 PM   #2
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I support this, just like I support supervised injection sites. If the problem of illicit drug use cannot be eliminated, it is unethical to simply ignore it. I wrote a paper on SIS and insite. Before I read the studies and looked at the research I thought the same, but now I'm in support of harm reduction initiatives like this.
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was watching a show (maybe news) metioned pilot program to provide free alch. to folks from dwtn east side. made sense as gets them off drinking mouthwash etc. .. as they end up in hospitals after and take up beds (more money spent)

but still would like to see more programs where funding goes to getting these people working and off the street.
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I've never got how people that drink so much mouth wash have such bad teeth
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cause they dont gurgle it in their mouths they just swallow (like your mom)
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Maybe they can offer all those street racers a place to race? Like a safe injection site but for car racing.
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Maybe they can offer all those street racers a place to race? Like a safe injection site but for car racing.
How about E. Hastings?
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oh look, there goes tax money
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Honestly this is another slap in the face. Here are people leeching off the system with no inclination to get off drugs (the vast majority at least). We keep giving them the tools to continue? My dad is diabetic and he needs needles to inject insulin daily. It was not his choice to do this and guess what, he pays for them. Yes medical takes a large portion of the cost but he pays for what he needs to survive. Clearly not a junkie.

I also understand peoples willingness to help others who cannot help themselves, the priorities seem a bit skewed.....
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Ya, I heard about the alcohol thing too.

I think they are spending money in the wrong places. Like tool001 (ps-best band ever) said, there needs to be a move to get people off the streets and off drugs.

Shit like this frustrates me as normal everyday working people seem to always be getting the ass-end of stuff. Just after they talked about this on the news, the announce that MSP premiums are going up! wtf?! I don't get drugs that keep me healthy for free so why should my tax dollars go towards paying for crack pipes for crack heads?!

People can sit an quote me stats about SIS, insite, free alcohol, free needles, etc all helping the DTES but really? I think it is all bullshit. I am tired of coddling and sympathizing with people who have clearly made the decision to fuck their lives up.
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cause they dont gurgle it in their mouths they just swallow (like your mom)
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even if you ended up homeless somehow you can always change your life around

collect some money by begging first, save enough, buy some okay clothes from value village, go to a library and print a resume, or even try and get yourself funded from a wealthier man and promise him to refund his money or whatever when you get a job.. I'd certainly do it if i find anyone decent to have such a goal in mind. Too bad they turned to drugs
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Some people will disagree with me and think that I am a cruel and disgusting person, but can we just kill them all?
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but still would like to see more programs where funding goes to getting these people working and off the street.
The problem here is most of them can't handle working even if the job presented itself. And even if they do manage to work a minimum wage job, how long until they can get back "on their feet?" It would have to be quite the package deal, including rehab, food, shelter and all.

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Saw something on the news how a study and trial proved that an effective way to change the homeless and their life was to provide them with sufficient shelter, e.g. their own home. The government gave this dude an apartment and judging from the clip, he has done a lot for himself since then to become a part of society again.
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How about give me a free apartment?

Someone who works, pays taxes, employes people, etc...

Mandatory drug tests for people on welfare as well
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Free money for Gambling addicts!!

seriously...where does it stop?
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i know this girl that tries to give these people education and turn their lives the other way around, and that's her job too

but srsly, paying somebody to take more drugs? ...
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Some people will disagree with me and think that I am a cruel and disgusting person, but can we just kill them all?
i agree with you, it may sound cruel and mean...but who cares...they're scabs of society, they dont contribute 1 bit, yet we keep giving them the supplies needed to shoot up or get high and drunk...

make them do something at least...tell the safe injection site that if a user wants a free clean needle, take a plastic bag, and walk down the street picking up the garbage or sweeping the streets down, and after 2-3 hours of some productive work, give the junkie what he wants.

handing out free crack pipes is just disgusting to me...
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speaking of needles..

how's your roid session going stewie
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The health care costs of drug users would far exceed the cost of free pipes. It's the same thing with IDUs..a kit from InSite costs $1. The facility costs less than a million/year to run, IIRC. It's been proven by multiple studies that it in fact saves us taxpayers money. Not only has InSite treated countless ODs on site, it has saved lives. Free needles and syringes that are clean are beneficial to both users and us...it lowers the number of contaminated needles found on the street and can lower the rate of transmission of blood borne diseases. I dug though dozens of studies on this harm reduction initiative when I was writing my paper, and I don't remember there being any negative repercussions of an injection site. It has done nothing but good. Injection sites have been open in Europe for decades. I'm glad Vancouver is taking the progressive route. Now, there's also talk of opening SIS in Quebec and Toronto, where open drug use is also rampant in areas.
I'm using this as an example, but when the studies crank out the numbers and stats on the effects of free crack pipes, I think it'll mirror it pretty closely.
Marginalized people and illicit drug users aren't "scum" or inhuman. Sure, a small number of them got where they are simply because of bad choices. However, the vast majority have had a rough family history, childhood abuse, and mental illness. They are people like you and I that have just fallen on bad times and tough circumstances. They need to be helped, not removed or eliminated.
Drug addiction isn't all mental. You don't just drop it, just like you don't drop smoking in one day. It's a physiological addiction just as much as a psychological addiction. Your body needs it to function. It takes time and support to kick it.

It seems a lot of people ITT are against free crack pipes. You're perfectly free to have your opinion, but if you can't back it up then it means nothing.
If you look at the research and still disagree with me, then come at me bro.
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