Its not about winning or losing, which is why Gridlock has his panties in a bunch. Its about the correct information, and why most dumbass eventually tap out cause they get sick of being corrected.

You'll notice I've referenced my GF for the facts, cause she's smart enough to not only hold a conversation with me, yet she can teach me things. Its too bad most here are dumbasses.

If you don't look, of course not. There's lots of great material, you just need to read it.

No you would not. Most people talk a good game, yet never back it up.

Yes. It may surprise you cause you're used to using exceptions, yet it is absolutely true.

The teen pregnancy rate is half what it was decades ago. Teenage smoking is at an all time low. Teens are waiting longer to have sex. More teens are choosing to pursue post secondary education.

Just cause you know the tards of life, doesn't mean on average kids are getting better - and guess what, its from better education and more involvement.

Yet feel free to provide more off the cuff examples, cause those are what counts, right?

No, its being a drama queen. Exceptions are not the rule.

What's funny is how you chose to take it out of context.

Its not about letting them do whatever they want, like getting blasted in the basement. Its about letting them try things and learn something from it.

Have I even responded to a single one of your posts? No. Why do you assume I think you're a dumbass?

I guess the shoe fit.

Liquor Law Basics - LCLB

Its funny how those without facts feel "bullied" when really they feel "stupid" cause they have nothing to rebut.

Ironic you ha noting to rebut, right?

There's lots in this thread that agree with my opinion, in fact the helicopter parents are in the minority. Sucks eh?

Because you said so! And no, the shoe doesn't fit.

So let me get this straight....

Some of you would let kids do this under your supervision, with the intention of them trying and learning from it... all under moderation of course. So where do you start drawing the line on when it is ok to consume the alcohol or smoke?

Obviously as a parent you have your set of rules your kid would have to adhere to... but when they start asking you if its ok and you deny their request.... who's to say that they wouldn't try to find another way to do it anyways....?

How is that then gonna be any different from the other kids who were never allowed to drink/smoke cuz they didn't have "cool parents"? In the end kids will do whatever it takes to get what they want, and if they want it bad enough, they'll just go down the street or to the park to do it anyways. You allowing them and being the "cool parent" is just a "convenience" to when they can and want to.

"Mom/dad said yes? ok guys come over!

"Mom and dad said no? alright guys, not here today.... lets go hang out and maybe we'll grab a beer and smoke outside tonight instead."

Back to square 1!


I've seen a lot of the bashing in this thread, so I feel I should make it clear to Taylor192 or any other parent who partakes in this method of raising kids... that this is not meant to attack him or anyone who gets offended... I wanna keep things as civilized as possible and it's more of me trying to understand where you guys are coming from.


My own take on it:

Everyone will have their own way to raise their kids, with their own set of rules, some Gridlock's way, and some Taylor's... certain ways may work with some families, others may need stronger or less discipline... but just because the process is different does not make one better than the other. I believe I share the same idea as most who have posted... that talking and having your kid learn about drugs and alcohol is a must, and where I, as a parent will draw the line is not letting and not wanting them to participate just cuz it's under mine or another parent's supervision.

dude taylor you really need to get your head out of your ass, take a step back and look at what the fuck you're saying
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Like I said way back when this was a normal thread conversation, it is one thing to let YOUR OWN kid partake in a little alcohol (wine with dinner, etc.) but this original article is about supplying a place for all your kids' friends to get wasted.

What YOU do with or to YOU OWN kid is YOUR business...but if you are opening the door to MY kid without MY knowledge and letting them drink, thats a different story!

I am pretty sure this is the point some of us are trying to make...am I wrong!?

And as you can read in the link YOU provided...not only is it immoral to allow other kids to drink in your house, it is also ILLEGAL!

WTF? You site your GF as a source for fact, yet you discredit equal contrasting second hand information as fact? Just because you're not banging anyone in this board doesn't mean that you can't learn from anyone here either. For every example you cite about a person succeeding despite his habitual use of alcohol and drugs at an early age, there's equal (if not more) example of the exact same sources destroying lives at an early state.



And you think kids can tell the difference? Or maybe with kids it's always just about getting blasted and not so much about learning

and take it out of context how? You're insinuating that "teachers would understand and automatically side with you." I didn't. It's as simple as that and it's shown that loud-arrogance doesn't mean you're infallable to errors.




BTW, would you give your 13 yr old porn? As long as you supervise it? :lol

Studies show that kids with a first drink before 15 are far more likely to abuse alcohol. They're not sure if it's the environment they're in or drinking in formative years alone. Other studies also show a clear decrease in alcohol abuse for kids who drank at home with their parents responsibly (with dinner, special occasions, etc).

There's a lot of grey area, but it's pretty clear that kids will generally follow the footsteps of their parents (to a limit). I've always believed that the bigger the walls, the further the fall. I'll probably raise my kids somewhere in the middle.

Kids with overly strict/repressive parents seem to rebel the hardest, maybe because their parents never taught them how to be responsible for themselves or the emotional (sometimes physical) abuse causes substantial emotional scars.

There's a study that says you should feed your kids alcohol and weed? I would love to read that.

I drank on occasions starting at the age of like what 11? :lol

but it was tiny sips thats all, it's not like parents planned on getting drunk and partying..
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taylors source for studies and facts is what his horny gf tells him who works in the dtes and agrees with drug use (hmm crackwhore anyone? i'll assume that)... :seriously:



and he'll constantly alter his argument ever so slightly to make it seem like that's what he's always been saying when he's refuted

+ he'll constantly make assumptions

so i don't know why the rest of you even bother with him... he's shown it time and again through every topic that he's only good at being thick headed and berating and trying to cover his tracks, not to the satisfaction of anyone else, but solely for the satisfaction of his own delusions and when you point that out he'll just say You're too stupid to know what he's talking about :lol

like i said he's like Hyde so do yourselves a favour and just add him to the ignore list (unfortunately it still shows his posts when you guys quote him :P)

No need to call his GF names.

on lighter news, taylor192 i spotted your car at the oval

i felt that too but since he's going around calling everyone names and making false assumptions i figured why shouldn't he get the same treatment and the only way for him to get it is if its about someone other than himself

but i have to say its likely a more educated assumption than taylors ever made ;)

That's not right man. You should really edit that out and apologize. Getting mad at someone and then doing something worse is not a solution.

Statscan has terminated all data for teenage pregnancy between years 1998-2009.. Do you have any viable facts for this? The most recent study was conducted in 1994 & 1997. Thanks.

I'd hate to disagree but if you read the recent news, the province is trying to get knowledge out to kids BEFORE EVEN HIGHSCHOOL. Trying to get sexual education into elementary school because of: The Daily, Tuesday, May 3, 2005. Early sexual intercourse, condom use and sexually transmitted diseases

Quote with a quote.

Same source. Laws can be taken different ways, just wanted to show the other side for people who didn't click the link.

The bolded made me have a good laugh in the morning, thanks.

What if your child decides he loves it? Loves to drink and smoke weed.. And once you say: "No, if you start to abuse it, it isn't good for this, and that and etc."

So then, the cycle RESTARTS and your child then goes behind your back because your not the "cool" parent he once thought you were, not letting him drink and smoke when HE wants to.

:suspicious: then what do you do? :fullofwin:

brb experimenting with aids taylorlogic/10