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I'm very curious about the pro's and con's of an 8 speed automatic. I know some expensive luxury cars have it but you don't see it in more affordable cars. Is this a good thing?
If I were buying a new coupe, I would get the manual. Doesn't matter if the 8-speed auto saves fuel, is more efficient, and features a dual clutch as even modern automatics still fail within 5 years.
Manuals on coupes have a higher resale value because your market in 5-8 years time will be cheap enthusiasts (like me) who all drive manuals. If you're buying a coupe and you're an enthusiast, always buy the manual when the option is available. Posted via RS Mobile
Build and price for the genesis is out on the website!! Seriously considering picking up one. Currently looking at the Premium model.. just under 30K. Still want to wait and see whats the pricing for the frs and brz first.
That's kind of neat. I'm not a big fan of the car but its alright I guess.
But damn! Those are some wicked photos! I Wanna shoot more photos of cars! rawr!
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Build and price for the genesis is out on the website!! Seriously considering picking up one. Currently looking at the Premium model.. just under 30K. Still want to wait and see whats the pricing for the frs and brz first.
Luxury vs performance. Someone getting it as a DD may prefer a satnav, better sound system, sunroof and leather while someone taking it to a track might want the LSD and brakes. Nice of Hyundai to cover both aspects. I test drove a 2012 2.0t on the weekend. Drove very nicely but it didn't feel that fast. Might take the new one for a spin when it comes out to compare.
- Far less colour options than before (including 2012 too)
- No HID unless 3.8 at 37k. Many cars come with HID even at 20k. Easy fix however.
- No LED DRL's unless 3.8 at 37k. Not even an option for the 2.0T. Not a deal breaker, but at least offer that for the top trim of 2.0.
- If one wants Brembo and LSD and also want the nav or upgraded speakers, they have to get the 3.8 at 37k.
- $4000 difference starting price between 2012 3.8 and 2013 3.8, despite the new engine being faster. $4000 is quite a bit to swallow and attract.
I seriously think the new offerings are less attractive, especially with their new face in the front. If I was to get one, I'd rather get the 2012 and use the saved money to modify it.
If they offered the new engine at nearly the same price as the 2012 then I think it'll sell like hotcakes despite the front, although 270hp at 26k is still pretty attractive.
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They need to go into a stock Hana style front bumper & put in the Supercharged Tau into it already.
RMR did the Tau swap for the 2011 Sema back in October. What i would do for that...!!!
test driving both the 3.8 and the 2.0 tonight, will report back on what i think!
initial thoughts though - it really sucks that they took away the GT on the 2.0T. that used to contain both luxury options (with things like infinity sound system, HID's, etc) as well as performance options (brembos, LSD, suspension, etc). now, at least on the 2.0, you get either technological options on the premium or performance options on the RSpec
my guess as to why they did this is to boost 3.8 sales. the only way you can get luxury and performance now is in the 3.8GT. i guess they didn't sell as many 3.8 units in canada last year as they wanted to
also, rest in peace to the 2 tone red/black interior
test driving both the 3.8 and the 2.0 tonight, will report back on what i think!
initial thoughts though - it really sucks that they took away the GT on the 2.0T. that used to contain both luxury options (with things like infinity sound system, HID's, etc) as well as performance options (brembos, LSD, suspension, etc). now, at least on the 2.0, you get either technological options on the premium or performance options on the RSpec
my guess as to why they did this is to boost 3.8 sales. the only way you can get luxury and performance now is in the 3.8GT. i guess they didn't sell as many 3.8 units in canada last year as they wanted to
also, rest in peace to the 2 tone red/black interior
just got home, here's my review on both the 2.0T Premium in 6spd MT and 3.8GT in 8spd AT. keep in mind i'm not being biased towards having a first gen genesis. this is MY honest review with no bias towards my own car whatsoever, and is my opinion also
Interior:
amazing. they really took consumer critique to heart. the leather all around, including the steering wheel, no longer has a plasticky feel to it. instead it feels like top notch leather, supple and..well leathery. gauge cluster with the electronic display is a nice new feature too, and the center console with the addition of the 3 gauges looks very good. that and the seatbelt for the passenger now has an assist hook thing to it so it's no longer a PITA for the passenger to grab the seatbelt. they also decided to go with less colours in the interior - less chrome, and the tan headliner and A+C pillars are now all black. icing on the cake - the LED doorsills on the 3.8 made the interior an A for me. no A+ because the rear is still terrible in terms of headroom, but to fix that they would've had to change the lines of the car
Exterior:
thought it would grow on me upon seeing it in person. it didn't, at all. the front looks squished when looking at it straight on, just like in photos. the rear isn't as nice as i thought it would be, but the tails definitely look better than the first gen oem tails. the LED DRL's are a nice feature, but overall it was pretty bad. that's just my opinion on it though, some love it, most hate it. C+
now for the important part: engine. 2.0T first
i went with a friend, and both him and i agreed - the engine felt way too refined. we tried numerous pulls, rolling and stand still pulls. no matter what we did, we didn't get pushed back into our seats - something that happened in my car right off the lot, despite the 2013 pushing 60hp more. it pulls harder but it doesn't feel raw at all. in other words, you can feel the power, but you can't FEEL the power. both my friend and i agreed, for a car enthusiast, the first gen was, despite not being the faster engine, the better engine. however if you want speed, then by all means the 2013 will give you that. B
3.8
didn't get the chance to try out a manual one, and maybe that's for the better since we did get to try out the 8speed auto. as in the previous gen, lots of fun. pulled hard and pulled quick. i havn't driven a first gen 3.8 in ages, but it is exactly as i remember it to be, with added oomph from the extra ~50 hp. for some reason it kept on shifting itself from 3->4th at about 6k rpm, something that didn't happen in any other gear. not too sure why that is, but because of that, B+. i didn't get to play around with the 3.8 as much as i did with the 2.0 either so my take on the 3.8 isn't as thorough as it could be but it's as close as i could get it
just got home, here's my review on both the 2.0T Premium in 6spd MT and 3.8GT in 8spd AT. keep in mind i'm not being biased towards having a first gen genesis. this is MY honest review with no bias towards my own car whatsoever, and is m..... for some reason it kept on shifting itself from 3->4th at about 6k rpm, something that didn't happen in any other gear. not too sure why that is, but because of that, B+. i didn't get to play around with the 3.8 as much as i did with the 2.0 either so my take on the 3.8 isn't as thorough as it could be but it's as close as i could get it
hope this helps with any potential buyers!
Your review could do much better without the grading system. And this totally doesn't help any potential buyer unless they have driven the previous model.
and good point actually. but i couldn't compare it to anything else so i compared it to my car. also i didn't really compare the 2 cars too much because you can still take a lot from it minus the comparisons. ie the fact that the 2.0 doesn't feel raw and the 3.8 still pulls like a motherfucker
and my review was mostly geared for the gencoupe forum but i decided i'd toss it onto here because how hard is it to copy and paste. i didn't go out to hyundai with the goal to write a review, i went out to try out the new gc. i'm not an automotive magazine reviewer so take from it what you will. if it's nothing, then move on and look at real reviews
kt covered a lot, there's not much that I can add.
I have nowhere near as much time as he does behind the wheel of a Genesis, but I'll throw in my $0.02.
Interior:
Nearly all of the little quirks I had with the first generation have been addressed, save for a few. The button to open the boot is awkward for me to reach, maybe because I'm so tall. The position of the power window switches hasn't changed and, as somebody else already mentioned, is a bit of an annoyance. I'm not sure if it's changed from the first generation or not, but both the driver and passenger side windows are auto-up and down with the two-stage switches. Lovely convenience. The seats are now half-powered. There's a rocker-switch to electronically slide, raise, and tilt the seats, but the seat-back reclining is still controlled by a conventional mechanical handle. It does, however, make for faster adjustments and doesn't have huge cogs limiting the possible angles. Much nicer materials used inside, also. The handbrake lever is wrapped in what seems to be a fine leather, as is the steering wheel.
I didn't like the fact that the paddle shifters in the auto were mounted on the steering wheel itself and not the steering column. I know different cars do them both ways but I, personally, prefer them on the column. There was considerably little space between the signal/wiper levers and the paddles which made me hit the wipers and signals a few times. Then again, that could just be my big hands.
Exterior:
Yuck, still. In the corner of my eye, it looks decent, but the front still reminds me of a squished pig snout when I take a good look at it. The rear tails protrude from the sides; we both didn't like that too much. There's not much else to say, otherwise.
Performance:
3.8 GT
It was my first time driving a 3.8... I was pleasantly surprised. There's lots of power on tap with the 348 horses, that's for sure. The automatic shifting while in paddle-shift-mode also happened between gears 2 and 3 for me; I think it automatically up-shifts to avoid bouncing off the rev-limiter.
2.0T
Like kt said, disappointing in a strange way. It felt very tamed and boring in spite of the increase in power. It was smooth and missed the feeling of crude power that the 3.8 delivered. Maybe I'm spoiled by the fact that I ride a sportbike lol
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now for the important part: engine. 2.0T first
i went with a friend, and both him and i agreed - the engine felt way too refined. we tried numerous pulls, rolling and stand still pulls. no matter what we did, we didn't get pushed back into our seats - something that happened in my car right off the lot, despite the 2013 pushing 60hp more. it pulls harder but it doesn't feel raw at all. in other words, you can feel the power, but you can't FEEL the power. both my friend and i agreed, for a car enthusiast, the first gen was, despite not being the faster engine, the better engine. however if you want speed, then by all means the 2013 will give you that. B
Would you consider the old 2.0T a bit laggy? When the turbo spools up, then you get your kickback/push.
Personally, I prefer a more linear power delivery when stomping on it. Not a fan of the "wait for it, wait for it, there it is" power delivery.
^that was already brought up a bit lower on page 2.
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^Yes I know that's the hybrid. I borrowed the picture that was posted from above. I don't recall seeing the whale-shark gaping mouths on other hybrids though, so while their may be a functional component to the Sonata Hybrid's mouth, a significant component of that styling is with Hyundai wanting a 'familiar face' through their lineup.
The pic you posted of the regular Sonata looks like this, not really angry just trying to be:
Would you consider the old 2.0T a bit laggy? When the turbo spools up, then you get your kickback/push.
Personally, I prefer a more linear power delivery when stomping on it. Not a fan of the "wait for it, wait for it, there it is" power delivery.
absolutely. both models have turbo lag from the factory. i'd have to say less on the old 2.0T though, but i cannot tell you that with 100% certainty as the mods i have done to the car have eliminated much of the turbo lag so i can't recall how bad the turbo lag was right off the lot
you can feel exactly when the turbo begins to spool in the 2013, but it still lacks the kickback/push
and since you're more a fan of straight power delivery when hammering the pedal, then the 3.8 is for you. matter of fact, n/a > turbo for you. the 3.8 is just that, straight power directly to the wheels as soon as you touch the pedal
Then you drop, paint the grill & rims & nightshade the tails...
But back 2 the topic at hand, I wanna see some track times! Those extra ponies must be driving down qm times.
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and since you're more a fan of straight power delivery when hammering the pedal, then the 3.8 is for you. matter of fact, n/a > turbo for you. the 3.8 is just that, straight power directly to the wheels as soon as you touch the pedal
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