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Old 02-08-2012, 01:40 PM   #1
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Global BC | B.C. residents back death penalty, new poll suggests

I wonder what is reason people are changing their mind? Maybe the Pickton case?

I would think that people would begin to lean this was when they do not think a life sentence for a serial killer is enough...

Not that I ever think Canada would change legislation, but it is something I guess people think about.
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I think its great and for someone to rapes and murders a child or of course the picton case it's better then them sitting in prison the rest of their life. Only for extreme cases tho
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I think people are changing their tunes cus they are tired of dangerous repeat offenders bein reseased back into their feeding grounds after serving meager sentences.
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the moment cases come up where people are proven innocent after they are executed (or widely believed to be victims of an injustice like todd willingham), we may look to overturn it once again.
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I think its changing population demographics. Recent immigrants are from countries with the death penalty.

I'm OK with it for those who will never be rehabilitated. Sex offenders top that list, as they have the smallest chance of reintegrating into society. Murderers OTOH actually have a high chance of reintegrating into society, as many murders are crimes of passion and have little ties to underlying personality traits.
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So much research over the years goes against the death penalty from our prime example the USA, who themselves have basically done away with the Death Penalty, and yet people are mulling over it? seems like conservative propaganda to become more in tune with the USA as Harper so loves...

it would be a major step backwards for us.. even to consider it seems archaic
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Probably cheaper to kill a murderer than to keep them fed, sheltered, alive for the remainder of their lives.
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Probably cheaper to kill a murderer than to keep them fed, sheltered, alive for the remainder of their lives.
it isnt though its actually more expensive to kill them

there've been studies that showed this even one of the more prominent "hanging judges" have said so


posted a link recently for someone who said the same thing might still be in the first couple pages or just google it
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it isnt though its actually more expensive to kill them

there've been studies that showed this even one of the more prominent "hanging judges" have said so


posted a link recently for someone who said the same thing might still be in the first couple pages or just google it
I'm more of a 5 cent bullet to the head type of guy.
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the moment cases come up where people are proven innocent after they are executed (or widely believed to be victims of an injustice like todd willingham), we may look to overturn it once again.
They were talking about this on NW the other day, and this argument came up time and again... except if we're talking about reserving it for only the most heinous wastes of skin - the Picktons, Olsons, etc. - I mean, the chance of someone being wrongly convicted of THAT MANY mass murders is so miniscule, it's ridiculous.
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i totally agree, but its the drawing of the line thats the hard part.
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In my opinion, if we sentance one innocent person to the death penalty then we all become murderers.
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Probably cheaper to kill a murderer than to keep them fed, sheltered, alive for the remainder of their lives.
The people on death row spend years in prison trying to appeal their sentence etc. and it costs more in legal fees than to just leave a guy in prison. Makes more sense to sentence a guy to life in prison to keep them off the street

If there was empirical evidence that the death sentence reduced crime rates I'd be for it, but that isn't the case. Keep in mind that serious offenders don't adhere to the same thinking 99.9% of the population does and a death sentence is not going to scare them straight.
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They were talking about this on NW the other day, and this argument came up time and again... except if we're talking about reserving it for only the most heinous wastes of skin - the Picktons, Olsons, etc. - I mean, the chance of someone being wrongly convicted of THAT MANY mass murders is so miniscule, it's ridiculous.
that case is a tricky one as there is a belief (even among the jury) that others were involved in the murders to what degree? i dont know but hearsay suggests some wild stories on that involvement (european crime syndicate/hostel movie type facility) but none of that was explored and the buck just stopped there it almost seemed like those involved didn't want to probe it further

tin foil hats aside i cant help but wonder if there are more deserving of that $0.05 bullet as belka put it
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I agree with a lot of the above.

We have to define the purpose of the death penalty: Is it a deterrent? or, is it a punishment?

I think research will show that using the death penalty is a deterrent does not work. I understand that promoting capital punishment as a punishment to the public can make it very attractive in some cases.

Would the majority of Canadians have wanted to see Olson hung by his balls and rot, sure. But, thankfully, how often does that happen? Same with Pickton.

I agree with Taylor192 (shockingly-haha) that I do think it is the influx of immigrants coming to Canada from countries that currently have capital punishment for the reason that poll shows what it shows.

Do I personally want the death penalty re-instated? No....my reason? I have tons, but briefly: morally, economically, and potential errors in evidence (human error, etc).
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Death penalty or make them work to pay their bills for keeping them in prison?

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Murderers OTOH actually have a high chance of reintegrating into society, as many murders are crimes of passion and have little ties to underlying personality traits.
I agree with this, from personal experience. A little while ago I found out that one of the employees in my company was convicted of manslaughter in his past for killing someone in a fight (Punches dude in face, dude goes down, hits head on ground and dies kind of thing).

I was pretty shocked and couldn't believe it when I heard it, because he didn't give me the slightest suspicion that he could have done something like that EVER. He's a pretty nice guy.
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I'm more of a 5 cent bullet to the head type of guy.
I don't think you understand the basis behind the cost of an execution.

The cost associated with the death penalty is not the execution itself; the execution only amounts to an expense of a few thousand dollars, whether through lethal injection or a "five cent bullet to the head" as you suggested. The cost is in the ten year or longer legal process post-conviction, a separate trial for the death penalty followed by a series of mandatory appeals by the defense.

California spends $250 million a year pursuing the death penalty, the average death sentence costing $25 million.

If instead of maintaining the death penalty, California could hire 1000 new police officers. What would make more of a difference?
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the moment cases come up where people are proven innocent after they are executed (or widely believed to be victims of an injustice like todd willingham), we may look to overturn it once again.
I think the death penalty in Canada would work a lot better.
Only because we are honestly little bitches in regards to handing out sentences.

I'm pretty sure if we had the death penalty, it would only happen be handed out to those extreme cases.
I mean right now you can kill someone (2nd degree) and get off in three years.
So I don't think we would abuse it much here in Canada.
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I was waiting for someone to bring upon this topic.

I strongly support the death penalty. I strongly support it for the fact of serial killers and repeat sexual predators. Our justice system gives our criminals too many rights. When one decides he is above the law and and order why does he still get treated as a human being. We give these killers too much luxury with a warm place to stay and food, something they probably are not used to. We waste too many money on trials, for example the Picton case hes been convicted of what... 26+ deaths already? and still running him a trial? With the death penalty we could rid our streets of repeat offenders who put our loved ones lives at risk. If a person would kill one, then two what makes you think theyd stop there? I understand with the death penalty there is potential for wrong conviction. But I'm just saying for the repeat offenders, not the one time kill I. I do have faith in the better of man that he will change. I hope they bring it back.
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I was waiting for someone to bring upon this topic.
I was hesitant as I don't want this to turn into fight club.
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I was hesitant as I don't want this to turn into fight club.
I dont think theres much too fight about on this topic. Like the above posts I think we as citizens are tired of hearing repeat offenders getting released into public only to have them reconvict.
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I don't think you understand the basis behind the cost of an execution.

The cost associated with the death penalty is not the execution itself; the execution only amounts to an expense of a few thousand dollars, whether through lethal injection or a "five cent bullet to the head" as you suggested. The cost is in the ten year or longer legal process post-conviction, a separate trial for the death penalty followed by a series of mandatory appeals by the defense.

California spends $250 million a year pursuing the death penalty, the average death sentence costing $25 million.

If instead of maintaining the death penalty, California could hire 1000 new police officers. What would make more of a difference?
What would 1000 new officers do? Theres no where to put the criminals they catch.
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