Toyota GT86/Scion FRS or go with different car
 

Hi guys, I have been eyeing Toyota GT86 or Scion FRS for sometime now and I'm still wondering if it's worth it to buy this car. Couple consideration about this car is: 2.0L NA boxer engine 200hp (only 200hp?) and it's mechanical LSD which is nice to go sideways on tracks.

Or.. Is it more worth it to buy a used Nissan 370Z, C250 coupe or anything else? I know that the C class is kinda off the league but it's kinda nice to drive a sport luxury too. LoL...

Let's hear what you think...

save ur money...buy a loaded corolla

Used Nissan Z. Toyota won't make a car comparable to the Nissan.

:seriously::rukidding:

If you want a frs, I would say either wait it out until they come out with a stock turbo model. Or just wait and buy a used one so you don't get but fucked by the dealer.

Personally I would never buy a Z because I need more then two seats.
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People complain about low hp but look at all the Audi A4 and A5 out there with only 211hp.

C250 has 201hp and C300 has around 240hp(?) I can't even remember. And all those cars are way more expensive and, more importantly, weigh substantially more than the FRS.

If they can keep the price of the FRS below $30,000 it will be a good deal. Or wait a couple of months and buy used?

Every positive review makes me want to test drive one and see for myself. Look at how he goes sideways so nicely.

so is Canada only getting the frs and brz? like not toyota

The Toyota version only comes out in Europe and Asia. Not in North America - Scion FR-S and Subaru BR-Z only here.

it comes down to the test-drive...my guess is if you go for the BRZ it will have the best resale value of all three...but that can be to your advantage to get the Scion used for a good deal

No turbo, no care.
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200 horsepower is enough for the city.
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It'd be a fun car to drive period. It's like manlier, more practical version of a Miata. Lightweight, well balanced, RWD car.

I say go for it.

If at all possible, hold off on buying a first model year vehicle.

That's true that 200hp is enough for the city but when you use it for track as well, you crave for more. Seeing how that 200hp car going sideways on track, it's just unbelievable that it only has 200hp. The european and american cars need much more hp to do the same, probably because of the weight.

I highly doubt it if there will be a stock turbo version. In fact, I would think that people will potentially put supercharge on this car.

Wasnt there something about toyota already making a supercharger for the GT86 and Subaru may be making a turbo?
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Torque is a more important figure than hp, to me anyways. This car has almost non-existent torque below 4,000 RPM based on the released stock dyno so you'd have to "ride it like fucking Secretariat" all the time--which I guess is 'fun' since the upper torque are quite flat. It also use low grip Prius tires so the back-end is easy to slide around.

It will no doubt perform perfectly around a track but daily driving? I have my doubts. Having driven the torqueless wonder Celica daily, I assure you that driving up the hill/or accelerate on the highway feeling like the car gonna fall apart or explode any minute is not very fun. Performance upgrade is coming though, given all the hype Toyota built around this car. Strong aftermarket support for sure.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't buy anything first gen. I suggest wait out until the 2nd gen. You should have a good feel for the car and most of the kinks should be worked out by then.

Get this car only if the price is 20 something. If it's 30+ go buy something used :)

Ever looked at the torque curve on the German cars?

I hope by that you mean driving it with maximum load in the trunk and passenger area, and stop and go driving up a huge hill.

I haven't seen the amount of torque this car has so I can't really say. My post was based on me driving a corolla, which is 12X hp?, and a 300+hp saloon. Now I know that the 300hp is overkill and the 12Xhp is a POS especially with a full trunk so yeah.

OP mentioned hp so that's what I went by.

155 lb-ft isn't really a lot but part of the fun of the FRS is revving it high to make that power.

C250 is 201hp and 181 lb-ft, nothing special either and the base price is $40,000.

A4 and A5 are 211hp and 258 lb-ft but are turbocharged so torque is linear.

FRS weighs ~2700lbs, C class is ~3700lbs, and A4 is ~3500lbs.

geez...how much time you drift your car vs how much time you drive it as your DD.

maybe I am too old for sports car, I'd get the C250 for going to work everyday, and then another project RWD car just for fun. Parts for FRS will be bloody expensive, and you probably still want the warranty.

Think of this, you will get owned in merging wars against a much more powerful mini van.

the vans are heavy

Unless your planning to track that car everyday, why do you worry about how fast it can go? Its the modern day affordable everything car (imo). Turbo kits will undoubtedly be made for this car so saying "no turbo no care" is just ignorant and childish. I want to grab this car as well but I will be waiting to see what common problems it has as a DD vehicle.