I could not agree more with that statement.

Americans are crazy, I would have great difficulty ever spending an extended duration of time there.

Same with drunk driving make it a death sentence and see how much money you'd save in road blocks where some jackass gets a 24hr impound.

Yes because we dont have freedom of expression or anything. :whistle:
Riiight so those that died in ww1-2 was just a silly canadian ritual, wasn't like they were fighting for freedom or anything.

Instead of actually learning what it is to be Canadian, you respond with more stupidity. Those who died in war for our country would not be proud of you.

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Listen smart guy, why dont you go down to the next novembrance day march and ask those idiots what they were doing. Just because something has been established doesn't mean you dont have to stand up and continue fighting for it. Which is also exactly what we should be doing now by fighting these spying/tracking internet limitation laws.

Hey asshole, when was the last remembrance day ceremony you actually attended? I watch or attend every remembrance day ceremony.

Don't you fucking lecture me on this. I respect our military, my friends currently serve and I have the utmost respect for them. I resppect them by knowing what they are fighting for, not some Americanized TV version of it.

I have ZERO respect for fucktards like you that don't even understand what it is to be Canadian, then preach to me. I bet you haven't even attended a remembrance day ceremony. Go watch so more American TV dumbass.

Mods, sorry for the language.

Pretty easy to pick out those ignorant little cunts like him in a crowd. Some times we are lucky, like with those Occupy protests few months ago, when they gather in a large group. Easier to round them up like cattle and herd them into a nice bath, courtesy of the Vancouver Fire Department hoses.

I thought we were talking about internet tracking..

RCMP investigating threats to Vic Toews from Anonymous hacker group

:bowdown: anonymous.

I hope anonymous succseeds in taking toews and this silly bill down.

Given that the internet has arguably become the most powerful media tool of the common man, where once unions gave that power, and where people not long ago, fought and died to give us these tools, I can give a pass on the straying off topic. It is a major isssue at the heart of a power struggle that has gone global.

The insults seen in here really have no place in the debate but in Fight Club where no one will read them.

So what exactly might they be fighting for? Certainly nothing mentioned in our national anthem right? Glad to see your butt hurt.

Glad to confirm you don't attend remembrance day ceremonies. They fight for what's written in our laws, you might want to learn them one day from something other than American TV.

Back on topic, apparently even Toews is backing away from this bill cause of a clause that would give police officers rights to this information under "exceptional circumstances" without listing what that means. Without that clause, police can only request this information as part of an ongoing investigation - thus essentially if they were going to get a warrant anyways.

I'm with you. We may sit right next to the border, but cheap gas and groceries are so not worth the trip across the border.

The country is basically so screwed in my mind that I can't even bring myself to use them.

So r they passing this bill?
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So I guess that means we dont have freedom of expression as a written law/right. You sure schooled me. Thanks for confirming.

I am a student of political science and history and what is happening to the US is really freaking me out too. It is quite clear that they are becoming a police state and since we are right next to them, we can expect that some of that paranoia will spill over here. (The Canadian Conservative Party's Bill C-30 is a case in point, "there are pedophiles everywhere, you're either with us or with the pedophiles!" ... gee, where did we hear similar rhetoric before?)

If this craziness continues, I will be applying for duel-citizenship to another country for myself and my family just in case the SHTF. Many wealthy individuals in the US have already packed their bags and left (ie. James Cameron moved his family to New Zealand, Doug Casey moved his family to Argentina, Jim Rogers moved to Singapore, James Turk moved to Europe, to name just a few)

If you'd been paying attention you'd have known we do NOT have 100% "freedom" in Canada. Our constitution includes "freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression" with a big gotcha that's different than the similar American clause.

In Canada "freedom" has limits unlike in the US. In the US racist/sexist/bigoted/... comments are protected under their "freedom" while in Canada it is considered a hate crime and is not protected - you'd know this subtle difference if you didn't learn Canadian law from CSI and Law & Order.

I sure hope you're not a political science major.

When did I ever say that our freedoms are the same as the americans? Your putting words in my mouth and then telling me I'm wrong. Next time you want to pick a fight go talk to a mirror, saves the rest of us alot of time.

Your words speak for themselves:
As has been pointed out, we didn't go to war for our rights, and we don't have "free speech" - yet nice back tracking.

Next time you want to open your mouth, please don't, shut it.

We went to war to defend our rights makes no diff to me. Freedom is something every citizen should be on the lookout to defend/fight/preserve. It's not something thats won once and never challenged again. Play semantics all you want.

Here is my question for those of you pissed off about this, or pretty much anything Harper does that you don't like. Do you actually do anything about it or just bitch and whine on internet forums?

Its not semantics, its history and the law. You'd do well to learn both.

Ok you're right our forefathers were just playing cowboys and Indians at ww1 and 2, not defending our freedoms.
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Hacker group Anonymous threatens Vic Toews | CTV Atlantic

Just saw this on ctv, it looks like the bill will be rewritten, :thumbs: up to anonymous for raising enough awareness hopefully it can just be thrown out.

Defending our freedoms while interning Japanese Canadians... :P