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Old 02-14-2012, 07:47 AM   #1
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Fuck everything about this. The Conservatives on tracking internet usage

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Mr. Toews will introduce Lawful Access legislation, as it is commonly called, into the House of Commons Tuesday. Previous versions of the bill failed to make it through minority parliaments, but now that the Conservatives have a majority it is almost certain to pass.

The bill will require Internet service providers to store and to make available to the government and police forces information on the Internet activity of their customers.


Police will require a warrant to obtain that information. But the bill would also permit them to obtain IP addresses (which identifies someone on the Internet), email addresses, mobile phone numbers and other information without any warrant.

Ann Cavoukian, Ontario’s privacy watchdog, is fiercely opposed to the legislation, which she calls “surveillance by design.” Federal Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart and other provincial privacy commissioners have also raised concerns.

But when Liberal MP Francis Scarpaleggia attacked the Conservatives for “preparing to read Canadians' emails and track their movements through cellphone signals” – which does appear to be a severe distortion of the bill’s powers – Mr. Toews’s counterattack was fierce.

“As technology evolves, many criminal activities, such as the distribution of child pornography, become much easier,” he told the House. “We are proposing to bring measures to bring our laws into the 21st century and to provide police with the lawful tools that they need.

“He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.”


Tories on e-snooping: ‘Stand with us or with the child pornographers’ - The Globe and Mail


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Wow talk about behind the times. Where have you been the last few months when we were bitching about Obama pushing the same thing, surely you wern't stupid enough to think it would only affect the states right? I mean now he's pushing a global tax, but hey your in canada who cares he's not the boss of you. LOL
Who do you think is getting $ for pushing the censorship BS? Follow the money trail and you will always see that he who stands to gain is also the one committing the crime.
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are you saying people who voted conservative are for these whacko moves?

or are you saying people who voted conservative were too stupid to tell what was coming so they dont deserve being told that?

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Well for those who voted conservative in the last election, you got what you voted for.
You don't hear us complaining. Sour grapes again it seems for the loser left.
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Well for those who voted conservative in the last election, you got what you voted for.
Sorry

If it means anything...I look forward to voting liberal again. I just can't vote for them right now, or the tree huggers.
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SOPA/ACTA/This.. it's all inevitable to one degree or another.. if they won't get this bill to pass, they will try another bill. Eventually either they will get tried of trying, or we will get tired of fighting.

It's push come to shove and see who gives up first.
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Learn how to proxy. Or if you have nothing to hide, then don't worry about it.


Lol @ "stand with us or the child pornographers"... yeah, because everyone who is against a complete invasion of privacy is obviously a pedophile.

Oh, and I voted NDP. Pblm? :P
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Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?
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Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?
if you were bored one night and you looked up on wiki on how to build a bomb, they can use that to prosecute you if you were ever suspected

thats the issue
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It's times like this I really miss Jack Layton.
I voted for the Conservatives because the Liberals was a mess of a party. I loved Jack Layton, and all the integrity he had, and love for his country, but I did not agree with his party's vision.

I'm hoping the liberals get their act together, and then I'd vote for them.
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if you were bored one night and you looked up on wiki on how to build a bomb, they can use that to prosecute you if you were ever suspected

thats the issue
No they could not. Stop spreading misinformation from ill informed conspiracy theories and privacy whackos. The police will need a warrant to access this information. It will not be looked at otherwise. If you're a suspect for a bombing, well you've got other issues.

All my internet activities at work are already logged and only looked at if there is an issue at work. This is the same idea, just at home or mobile. Your records will not be accessed unless you do something wrong.

So the correct example would be: If you built a bomb they could determine you've been on the internet looking up how to build bombs.
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I have an ex-gf that works for the pedophile division of the RCMP, and these new laws will make her job so much easier. I'll trade some privacy I won't miss and never knew I had for a safer society.

ISPs are already looking at everything you do online, that's how they shape and throttle traffic, how the caches know what to keep handy, ... that's why I say its privacy "you never knew you had" cause its an illusion, its all already tracked in some form or another - this just puts it in writing.
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Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?
its called protecting your rights.
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Lol what rights?
If you knew how network protocols worked you'd realize you don't have much privacy to begin with. Addresses and even content category (VOIP, streaming, data) are used and stored to make decisions that shape network traffic. A lot of stuff is cached too.

That's just your ISP. Then there's google that essentially caches the internet. Write something in a blog, google has it stored for 5 years and anyone can access it.

Complete privacy online just doesn't exist, you're always being monitored in some way.
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I have an ex-gf that works for the pedophile division of the RCMP, and these new laws will make her job so much easier. I'll trade some privacy I won't miss and never knew I had for a safer society.

ISPs are already looking at everything you do online, that's how they shape and throttle traffic, how the caches know what to keep handy, ... that's why I say its privacy "you never knew you had" cause its an illusion, its all already tracked in some form or another - this just puts it in writing.
False I work an IPS and in no way do we "actually" look at what u do. We do keep records but unless police comes with a warrant we then turn the info over. There are a few times where the RCMP did contact about threatening E-mails being sent by our customers. We don't just snift your traffic and track Internet packets and see what u do online. Company like Shaw do packet sniftings for P2P only as far as I know.

With this new Law ANYONE can have access to YOUR person info (E-mails, surfing habits, IP....) without any warrant. So any movie company, music industry or even marketing company can obtain those info.

Not to mention if the gov do want us to keep those info how far back are we suppose those info (6months, 1 year 2 years.......) it will cost us money to store those info which in turn raise price for customers.

Also what about if someone hacks into your wireless connections and is using your IP or even clone your PC MAC address to go online to look at say child pron and you got arrested for it? Or what about u got a virus/maleware and is looking into those illgeal in the background without u knowing.

What this bill is doing is just giving the gov power to say "Hey You are posting negative things about the gov we will just shut u down"
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False I work an IPS and in no way do we "actually" look at what u do.
Thus its TRUE. This information is recorded, just no-one looks at it unless you're in trouble. Thanks for helping my point.

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With this new Law ANYONE can have access to YOUR person info (E-mails, surfing habits, IP....) without any warrant.
Not as I understand it, please break down the law specifically. It grants the right to contact information without a warrant (IP addresses used, phone numbers, email addresses used) yet doesn't grant the right to content, ie where you've surfed, who you've sent emails to, ...

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Not to mention if the gov do want us to keep those info how far back are we suppose those info (6months, 1 year 2 years.......) it will cost us money to store those info which in turn raise price for customers.
Fair enough, yet off topic.

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Also what about if someone hacks into your wireless connections and is using your IP or even clone your PC MAC address to go online to look at say child pron and you got arrested for it? Or what about u got a virus/maleware and is looking into those illgeal in the background without u knowing.
The RCMP can already arrest you for this, nothing changes.

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What this bill is doing is just giving the gov power to say "Hey You are posting negative things about the gov we will just shut u down"
No it does not. Without a warranty no content can be looked at. Even if they were to find the IP address of a blog poster, this bill gives them no power to shut the blog down. As is, someone with good networking skills can track that IP address back and locate it - this is how the RCMP find some pedophiles - thus I contend, this bill does nothing to what exists already other than put it in writing to make it easier.

Your claims are baseless typical paranoia.
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^^ Actually we receive E-mails from Movie and Music industry everyday claiming so and so is on our network downloading this and that using this IP which is illegal please give us their info. WE always just deleted those E-mails.

In fact once in a blue they would actually call us demanding those info. We simply tell them go to the police and let them deal with it coz we are no way giving our customer info to anyone but police with warrants. Give this new law, we have to comply and give those info out without a warrant which means it is A LOT easier for anyone to obtain your surfing habits and what you have been downloading.

This law does nothing for the typical customers but rather give those with money even more power over us.
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