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Old 02-16-2012, 08:01 PM   #51
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The biggest problem with dog meat, cats, etc... in South East Asia is that a lot of the animals are kept in terrible conditions, stolen from houses, you name it.

As long as the animals are brought to my plate in a humane way then it is all good.

In Vietnam the dog nappers here have spears with electricity running through them. If these guys see a dog on the street they just spear it, the dog dies instantly and then they can get away easily.
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My cousin was living in China for a bit, he went to a restaurant and they had dog on the menu. He was curious and wanted to try, so he ordered it. The guy comes to the table with 2 cute little puppies, one white, one black. Then says "which one do you want". He was absolutely disgusted and left the restaurant

...bunch of sick fucks

But at the same time, I eat so many animals on a daily basis so how can I really say "what I do is right, and what you do is wrong"
How is it different from choosing which lobster you want from a tank? How are they sick fucks?
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My cousin was living in China for a bit, he went to a restaurant and they had dog on the menu. He was curious and wanted to try, so he ordered it. The guy comes to the table with 2 cute little puppies, one white, one black. Then says "which one do you want". He was absolutely disgusted and left the restaurant

...bunch of sick fucks

But at the same time, I eat so many animals on a daily basis so how can I really say "what I do is right, and what you do is wrong"
I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on the reasoning you have for referring to the restaurateurs as "sick fucks." Surely, your cousin didn't that the dog meat he ordered would come from an ugly puppy?

In my opinion, many people rely on a distinct mental separation between a living animal and the meat they consume to avoid experiencing moral or emotional conflicts with maintaining an omnivorous diet. Ask yourself, of the people you know who eat meat, how many would be capable of slaughtering and butchering an animal?

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My question is do they like, walk into Petsmart and pick the cutest fluffiest puppy full of love in its eyes that just wants to be held and play fetch and love you forever and fry up that one in teriyaki sauce?

Or do they have farms full of dumbed down bred for food only dogs like we have beef and chickens here?
Chickens aren't very intelligent, but they still feel pain and suffer immensely as a result of the conditions they endure.

Cows are quite intelligent, I've probably spent more time around live stock than anyone else on RS.
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I've had smoked dog meat ... I'm not even sure what it's supposed to taste like cuz it was kind of like jerky ... and overly salty lol ...

I've heard somewhere that you can even order Lion Meat!... interesting ...
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My cousin was living in China for a bit, he went to a restaurant and they had dog on the menu. He was curious and wanted to try, so he ordered it. The guy comes to the table with 2 cute little puppies, one white, one black. Then says "which one do you want". He was absolutely disgusted and left the restaurant

...bunch of sick fucks

But at the same time, I eat so many animals on a daily basis so how can I really say "what I do is right, and what you do is wrong"
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everytime I see a bunny hoppin along outside my shop I think mmmmmm tasty
my pet rabbits were soo smart, shockingly so
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My question is do they like, walk into Petsmart and pick the cutest fluffiest puppy full of love in its eyes that just wants to be held and play fetch and love you forever and fry up that one in teriyaki sauce?

Or do they have farms full of dumbed down bred for food only dogs like we have beef and chickens here?
This is one of the big issues with dog meat. In Korea (which is where the article is focused) dogs for consumption should be bred and raised specifically for consumption, and indeed there are quite a number of farms. Unfortunately, because they are not legally designated as 'livestock' and are actually domestic animals, they are not covered by the laws which regulate the farming industry.

As a result, there are no laws that cover the conditions in which the animals should be bred, housed, fed, or slaughtered.

There are general laws which deal with "cruel treatment of animals", but they are laws which require specific complaints to be made, and not the laws which allow the government to inspect livestock farms.

The article mentions that in 2008 there was a push by legislators in Seoul (the capital city) to try and petition the national government to add dogs to the list of livestock so that the dog-meat industry could be more closely regulated. Unfortunately, due to the petitioning of animal rights groups, the law was struck down.

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To be fair as well, there are a number of places, often small towns, where pets or strays are captured for their meat. This is, one would hope, a less than common case. And if it were me...it wouldn't be worth it in terms of time cost to go out chasing wild dogs to feed my customers instead of just...buying a dog for meat. In fact, the tax branch has repeatedly said that the purchase of dog meat is (in terms of business costs) the same as buying chicken or pork.
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My cousin was living in China for a bit, he went to a restaurant and they had dog on the menu. He was curious and wanted to try, so he ordered it. The guy comes to the table with 2 cute little puppies, one white, one black. Then says "which one do you want". He was absolutely disgusted and left the restaurant
While I can't speak for every restaurant, this story seems kind of...dubious to me. If I order something, I want to eat it. If they were to offer me two live dogs to choose from, it would take time for them to slaughter, drain, skin, butcher and then cook. By the time they had done all that...I would probably have gotten food from another restaurant.

It just doesn't make sense to do that. Where's the logic?
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My question is do they like, walk into Petsmart and pick the cutest fluffiest puppy full of love in its eyes that just wants to be held and play fetch and love you forever and fry up that one in teriyaki sauce?

Or do they have farms full of dumbed down bred for food only dogs like we have beef and chickens here?
They're specifically bred for consumption, just like any other meat. Can't speak for the conditions these animals are bred though.

Eating strays isn't unheard of either.

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Had snake for the first time a few weeks ago in china. The meat is very bony, but tastes good. The skin is the best part, it is slightly rubbery, but crispy.

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I remember when I was about 6 or 7, my grandpa brought me to have snake meat for the first time in a food stall in Taiwan.
From what I could recall, parts of it were tender, while most of it was chewy. Other than that, it wasn't particularly fantastic. It was boiled and you dip it in garlic soy-sauce.
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Meeh, animals were meant to be eaten. I don't really see a difference between a cow and a dog. In some cultures the cow is not allowed to be consumed! That said, I would only eat dog if I were traveling to a rural village where it was the norm or if it was a matter of survival.
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My cousin was living in China for a bit, he went to a restaurant and they had dog on the menu. He was curious and wanted to try, so he ordered it. The guy comes to the table with 2 cute little puppies, one white, one black. Then says "which one do you want". He was absolutely disgusted and left the restaurant

...bunch of sick fucks

But at the same time, I eat so many animals on a daily basis so how can I really say "what I do is right, and what you do is wrong"
Well, that's like the staff bringing you two crabs or fish to choose from.
Personally, I'd pick the cuter one.
The cuter animal, the better it tastes.



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The article mentions that in 2008 there was a push by legislators in Seoul (the capital city) to try and petition the national government to add dogs to the list of livestock so that the dog-meat industry could be more closely regulated. Unfortunately, due to the petitioning of animal rights groups, the law was struck down.

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Ouch. The irony of that is actually quite bitter.
Technically, I should be against eating dog. They are just a little too smart for me to be comfortable eating them. But I haven't had one yet.
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I've heard somewhere that you can even order Lion Meat!... interesting ...
Lion meat: wild game, Czimer's Game & Seafood, Inc. Homer Glen, IL Large Game
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I'd personally eat dog meat, but don't think I can handle seeing one being butchered and prepared in front of me unlike with other animals. Although there is an emotional attachment to dogs, categorizing whats on my plate as just another meal makes a lot easier to digest.
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Not surprisingly, that business has a very illicit pass.

Richard Czimer served six months in prison and paid a $116,000 for trafficking in endangered animal parts, the conviction was a result of an investigation in 1998. New accusations have been made within the last year, for the exact same conduct!

Attempts have been made on his life..
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While I can't speak for every restaurant, this story seems kind of...dubious to me. If I order something, I want to eat it. If they were to offer me two live dogs to choose from, it would take time for them to slaughter, drain, skin, butcher and then cook. By the time they had done all that...I would probably have gotten food from another restaurant.

It just doesn't make sense to do that. Where's the logic?
When you go eat crab or lobster at a chinese restaurant, you pay by the pound for a live one.
When you go eat steak at The Keg, you choose the cut and size of steak you think you can eat.

I would reason that this is the same for dog. I am guessing a) you want a live dog b) one that isn't too old or too big c) not a stray that is riddled with fleas and disease?

As for the second point, if you want to eat crab, it takes time to kill it and clean it before cooking. If you really wanted live dog, I'm sure you would wait for it to be killed, drained, cleaned, and cooked as opposed to running to another restaurant to eat.
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that's oddly cheap for something exotic like Lion meat...
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that's oddly cheap for something exotic like Lion meat...
The meat has very little value; ask yourself, how many people do you know dying to try lion meat?

The real money is in the illegal trade of exotic animal parts, like paws and hides, which is what the business owner was convicted of.
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"Sick Fuck" is referring to the people who take that live puppy to the sink, kill it, skin it, chop it into pieces and then serve it on top of rice. The guy doing it obviously has no issues with this, and probably does it on a daily basis. I have no issue when they show me a live lobster/crab/fish, but a live puppy seems a bit fucked up. It's probably because I have a dog and view it as a companion as opposed to a dish.
That's fine as long as you acknowledge that your view of them is equally as accurate (read: not very) as a vegetarian's view of you.
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i don't care what i eat and would try dog. my criteria for meat is:

1. it's not dangerous to eat, based on studies
2. it's moderated such that the animals are farmed and don't go extinct etc.
3. studies have been conducted about affects of eating it, ie nutritional value, danger to health etc.

For example the japanese illegally killing nad eat free-range dolphins is wrong to me because:
1. they are extremely dangerous and contain levels of mercury such that generations are born with defects
2. dolphin populations are dangerously decreasing due to inproper regulation
3. not enough evidence of it being fully safe, as mentioned in #1
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As long as the animals are brought to my plate in a humane way then it is all good.
This!

As long as it was treated with respect and humanely, I have no issue.

Also, endangered species is definitely a no-no. I don't care how good that animal tastes, any near extinction should be outlawed.
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i don't care what i eat and would try dog. my criteria for meat is:

1. it's not dangerous to eat, based on studies
2. it's moderated such that the animals are farmed and don't go extinct etc.
3. studies have been conducted about affects of eating it, ie nutritional value, danger to health etc.

For example the japanese illegally killing nad eat free-range dolphins is wrong to me because:
1. they are extremely dangerous and contain levels of mercury such that generations are born with defects
2. dolphin populations are dangerously decreasing due to inproper regulation
3. not enough evidence of it being fully safe, as mentioned in #1
This is why I disapprove of people eating dolphins and shark fin.
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Don't care what anyone says. Anything capable of showing such affection shouldn't be eaten assuming there are other options available. And if a culture decides it's socially acceptable to eat then any government who gives two fucks about morality will regulate it and do whatever it takes to ensure they are treated with respect and dignity as they deserve throughout the entirety of the slaughtering process.

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