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Old 02-26-2012, 09:01 AM   #1
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Dad gets arrested because 4 year old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school.
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Man shocked by arrest after daughter draws picture of gun at school


Arrested Jessie Sansone was arrested at his daughter's school after the 4-year-old drew a picture of a gun. Peter Lee, Record staff
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KITCHENER — A Kitchener father is upset that police arrested him at his children’s’ school Wednesday, hauled him down to the station and strip-searched him, all because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school.

“I’m picking up my kids and then, next thing you know, I’m locked up,” Jessie Sansone, 26, said Thursday.

“I was in shock. This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school.”

The school principal, police and child welfare officials, however, all stand by their actions. They said they had to investigate to determine whether there was a gun in Sansone’s house that children had access to.

“From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child,” said Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services.

Waterloo Regional Police Insp. Kevin Thaler said there was a complaint from Forest Hills public school that “a firearm was in a residence and children had access to it. We had every concern, based on this information, that children were in danger.”

Their concern wasn’t based on the drawing alone, he said.

Neaveh, the child who made the drawing, also made comments about it that raised more flags.

Sansone thinks police overreacted. He didn’t find out until hours after his arrest what had actually sparked the incident.

He said he went to the school Wednesday afternoon to pick up his three children. He was summoned to the principal’s office where three police officers were waiting. They said he was being charged with possession of a firearm.

He was escorted from the school, handcuffed and put in the back of a cruiser.

At the same time, other police officers went to his home, where his wife and 15-month-old child were waiting for his return.

They made his wife come to the police station while the other three children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.

“Nobody was given any explanation,” said his wife, Stephanie Squires. “I didn’t know why he was being arrested.

“He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them. ‘You’re making a mistake.’ ”

At the police station, Sansone talked to a lawyer who said only that he was being charged with possession of a firearm, Sansone said.

He kept asking questions. He was given a blanket and told he would appear before a judge in the morning to post bail.

“I was getting pretty scared at that point,” Sansone said. “It seemed like I was actually being charged at this point.”

He was forced to remove his clothes for a full strip search.

Several hours later, a detective apologized and said he was being released with no charges, Sansone said.

The detective told him that his four-year-old daughter had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun. When a teacher asked her who the man was, the girl replied, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”

“To be honest with you, I broke down,” Sansone said. “My character got put down so much. I was actually really hurt, like it could happen that easy.

“How do you recognize a criminal from a father?’’

He said he thought he had good relations with the principal who offered him a job last year counselling students at the school.

“We’re educated,’’ he said. “I’m a certified PSW (personal support worker) and a life issues counsellor. I go into schools to try to make a difference.’’

After he was released, Sansone was asked to sign a paper authorizing a search of his home. He signed, even though he didn’t have to, he said.

“I just think they blew it out of proportion,’’ Squires said. “It was for absolutely nothing. They searched our house upside down and found nothing. They had the assumption he owned a firearm.

“The way everything happened was completely unnecessary, especially since we know the school very well. I don’t understand how they came to that conclusion from a four-year-old’s drawing.’’

Scott, of Family and Children’s Services, said the agency was obligated to investigate after getting a report from the school.

“Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe.”

If there’s a potential crime that’s been committed, the agency must call in police, she said

“In the end, it may not be substantiated. There may be a reasonable explanation for why the child drew that gun. But we have to go on what gets presented to us.

“I’m sure this was a very stressful thing for the family,” she acknowledged.

The school principal, Steve Zack, said a staff member called child welfare officials because the law requires them to report anything involving the safety or neglect of a child.

The agency chose to involve police, he said.

“Police chose to arrest Jessie here. Nobody wants something like this to happen at any time, especially not at school. But that’s out of my hands.”

Sansone says he got into some trouble with the law five years ago, and was convicted of assault and attempted burglary. But he’s put all that behind him. He never had any firearms-related charges.

As for the strip search, Thaler said it was done “for officer safety, because it’s a firearms-related incident.

“At the point in the investigation when it was determined it was not a real firearm, the individual was released unconditionally,” he said.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:14 AM   #2
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What a bunch of stupid upstarts. Maybe they did have the right to investigate but they should have shown a considerable amount more tact in dealing with the situation instead of rushing in like swat team members to capture some serial rapist or something.
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I used to be anti-gun, and thought that Canada had it right, and the US so wrong.

The more I have read and learned, has really shaped my thinking on the subject. Here we have "the state" treating people like a criminal for possibly having an item that has just as many legitimate uses as illegitimate.

I'm getting really tired of government officials thinking they know more than me. I no longer trust a government that is so desperate to maintain control over so many things, leaving me to trust my personal safety back to the government.
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I would sue the school and local pd for emotional distress and character defamation!
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situation was handled completely wrong

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TL;DR, but I'm pretty sure people in the states do way stupider stuff.
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I would sue the school and local pd for emotional distress and character defamation!
+ 1, did you know if his were to happen with the VDP, you would have a police file on your record for the rest of your life. Anytime someone does a employment check or screening for sensitive jobs, it shows up and you get questioned like an asshole for stuff like this.

The VDP has no way of removing it because its not a criminal record where you can get pardoned, it's just a "police file", saying you were in a police incident. But it gets flagged if there's a search and you have to explain yourself.
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+ 1, did you know if his were to happen with the VDP, you would have a police file on your record for the rest of your life. Anytime someone does a employment check or screening for sensitive jobs, it shows up and you get questioned like an asshole for stuff like this.

The VDP has no way of removing it because its not a criminal record where you can get pardoned, it's just a "police file", saying you were in a police incident. But it gets flagged if there's a search and you have to explain yourself.
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Sansone says he got into some trouble with the law five years ago, and was convicted of assault and attempted burglary. But hes put all that behind him.
He may have put it behind him, yet the law has not. I think how they handled him was completely justified based on his past record.
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Wow what a freaking nightmare. Slowly we are becoming a police state through ignorant actions like this and many other incidents everyday. Cops saying you cant film or picture them, cops tricking you saying that they have every right to search you, hanging around stop signs waiting for people to roll-stop them. If only we could take back power...
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He may have put it behind him, yet the law has not. I think how they handled him was completely justified based on his past record.
But if the past record is true, then i retract everything i said LOL
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Interesting that you bring this up because according to my tin foil hat, the states want some federal authority (TSA) to screen you for jobs and have everything be approved by them. Ideally what they want is everyone to not trust each other and place all the trust in the gov. They ship the real manufacturing jobs out and create tons of fed jobs. Having the population snitch on each other for some FIAT currency. Hopefully it never gets to that.
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+ 1, did you know if his were to happen with the VDP, you would have a police file on your record for the rest of your life. Anytime someone does a employment check or screening for sensitive jobs, it shows up and you get questioned like an asshole for stuff like this.

The VDP has no way of removing it because its not a criminal record where you can get pardoned, it's just a "police file", saying you were in a police incident. But it gets flagged if there's a search and you have to explain yourself.
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He may have put it behind him, yet the law has not. I think how they handled him was completely justified based on his past record.
There's got to be more to this. I'd love to see what the police record of his past "troubles" were. Assault and attempted burglary can cover a lot of things.

To the OP - yeah, I'm going to waste my time watching a video entitled "The Canadian Police State". I'm sure they are completely unbiased.
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IMHO, preventing firearms would never really decrease any criminal activity.

Take England as an example, ever since their introduction to firearm ban, gun related criminal activities vastly increased throughout the country. In some areas, the rate doubled.

The idea of taking guns away from people simply give bad guys more sense of safety when they commit crimes as they would less likely face other with gun.

Guns by themselves are not the problem. People who use them in the wrong way are. And if someone is determined to kill, he/she would do it with or without a gun.

Back to OP, I think the whole thing is over-reacted no matter how you look at it. I think police should do their job, but PROPERLY! If the school raise a question on a possible illegal possession of firearms, police could bring the dude in for investigation. By just arresting him without any concrete evidence, this is simply abuse of power.
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Police should do their job but when they cross the line this badly doesn't it make you think they just MIGHT have too much power?
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police overreacting like in this case is common


if they actually found a gun though a lot of you guys would be singing their praises

and when the case gets thrown out of court (which it may) you guys would be bitching at the justice system


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For a second I thought I was reading one of these:

One night man tries escape from gulag.
Makes his way to cabin in middle of tundra. Inside is plain, but many family pictures on walls. He falls asleep. In middle of night he is put in sack and dragged out. The next morning he is shot like dog.
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I turn to wife and demand to know why her father interrupt me beating her. But she say, her father is dead! Then, KGB break into house and arrest me for illegal possession of phone.
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He may have put it behind him, yet the law has not. I think how they handled him was completely justified based on his past record.
Even if he was an ex-con.. he's a god damn person. People should be talked to, not just arrested, and thrown in a jail cell.

Personally if I was the father, I wouldn't be sueing the police on my behalf, but the behalf of my family. Screwing with a child's head, seperating the child from parents, with most likely no reasoning given to the children.. can be taumatizing.
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^police never go into a situation assuming that everyone is a good person and any situation can be "talked out".

They need to be a aggressive and assume the worst or they will get injured or killed. It is they way they are trained and why situations like this happen.

The police can not afford the luxury of being all nice and shaking hands with people as it could cost them their lives.

Sad, but true.
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Even if he was an ex-con.. he's a god damn person. People should be talked to, not just arrested, and thrown in a jail cell.
A police record doesn't indicate he's a good person. Iit indicates he was a bad person, a very bad person. Like I said, he can move on from his past history, yet it does not mean the rest of us will, nor do we have to believe he has moved past either.

The police should react to each situation based on the evidence available, and in this case with his prior history I think it was very appropriate.
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