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Old 07-25-2013, 06:29 PM   #51
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:36 PM   #52
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The law doesn't protect us, its an attempt to control us. And I would think morals are probably as strong as it gets right now..we are literally in the most peaceful era mankind has ever been in.
You really think morals are high right now?
How many cases do you hear on a weekly basis about groups of people beating the snot outta someone and bystanders just taking photos to post up on the web? Or how many cases do you hear of girls getting raped and gang banged while other stand around doing nothing or worst yet again taking pictures to spread around and laugh about it? How many cases do you hear of people mixing mad amounts of drugs, booze etc dying over it and then society accepts it like its the norm and poor guy bla bla bla. I can go on but whats the point as long as people think fats the new thin, society and morals are gone or quickly going.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:11 PM   #53
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You should've just taken off your clothes, shipped out your evo with you inside, jump out of your trunk, beat him up with a crow bar and then drove home and reported to RS.
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you know what really pisses me off.....
you murder somebody you get a murder charge
you attempt to murder somebody you get an attempted murder charge.
you rape somebody you get a rape charge
you attempt to rape somebody you get an aggravated assault or sexual assault charge
you fraud somebody you get charged with fraud
you attempt to fraud somebody you get no charge

SO WHATS TO STOP PEOPLE FROM TRYING!!
Morals are dwindling ever faster within society and since most dont fear god any longer the law and how its enforced are whats left to protect us. They fail over and over and over again
I get your frustration, but to have a legal charge of "attempted fraud" you'd actually have to read his mind.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:31 PM   #55
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I get your frustration, but to have a legal charge of "attempted fraud" you'd actually have to read his mind.
how so.. isnt this evidence enough?
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You really think morals are high right now?
How many cases do you hear on a weekly basis about groups of people beating the snot outta someone and bystanders just taking photos to post up on the web? Or how many cases do you hear of girls getting raped and gang banged while other stand around doing nothing or worst yet again taking pictures to spread around and laugh about it? How many cases do you hear of people mixing mad amounts of drugs, booze etc dying over it and then society accepts it like its the norm and poor guy bla bla bla. I can go on but whats the point as long as people think fats the new thin, society and morals are gone or quickly going.
Its Rome all over..........
Disclaimer, the fat thin thing is a metaphor.
No offense but you couldn't possibly be more wrong in that statement.

As much as stuff sucks, we are basically at the absolute pinnacle of humanity right now. If you look at history, things were much, much worse. Even 100 years ago. Hell, even 50 years ago
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I feel like your "scam" is not nearly as epic as you seem to think it is... in the end, you have wasted a bunch of your own time, nearly lost your own car and money, and for what? So you might waste his time too? Good job. It's unlikely that the police are going to be able to do anything serious anyways.

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Old 07-25-2013, 10:38 PM   #58
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I get your frustration, but to have a legal charge of "attempted fraud" you'd actually have to read his mind.
As I understand it, for a crime of intent you need the accused to have intended to commit the criminal act AND have done something that "goes beyond mere preparation" towards that act.

You can infer intent from the evidence.
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Well this is my point.

It's more difficult to prove intent on fraud if no fraud occurred than it is as attempted murder or some of the other things that Phil mentioned(attempted robbery, rape and so on). Either you are fraudulent or you are talking about it. So the crime is lying. Well, in the eyes of the law, THAT would open up a can of worms. Attempted murder is usually you sucking at actual murder-ie, the guy lived. Attempted robbery-same.

But there isn't really a "kinda" fraud. You either succeed-charged with fraud, or it was a business transaction that didn't work out.

This kid..we ALL know he was gonna take the car. But prove it. Not so easy. Everything else can really be a bad deal, or lying on the internet or 1000 other things.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:53 PM   #60
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you fraud somebody you get charged with fraud
you attempt to fraud somebody you get no charge

SO WHATS TO STOP PEOPLE FROM TRYING!!
they can be charged with conspiracy


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Old 07-26-2013, 12:09 AM   #61
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What I've been noticing these days is people who only ask you for your phone number + name. If you give them that they start spamming the number. beware
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how so.. isnt this evidence enough?
Just cause you have evidence doesn't necessarily mean you'll win in court. Prosecutors or the defender's lawyer can use those evidence against you, or simply make it so it's not as strong to prove someone guilty.

Witnesses on the other hand is much stronger. If the dealership's salesman and the guy at Canada Fleet Services were willing to testify, he would have a better case.
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they can be charged with conspiracy
Then why arent cops proceeding with that?
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they probably felt there wasn't sufficient evidence for it or didn't think it was worth investigating to see if there was enough evidence you usually only see those charges on large $ cases/fraud rings and in combination with actual fraud charges

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He scammed another guy. hks twin turbo prototype kit 370z for $3000 LOL [For Sale] HKS GT30 RS twin turbo kit - Page 12 - Nissan 370Z Forum

These guys found out where he lives and took a picture of his house.
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These guys found out where he lives and took a picture of his house.
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Looks like he scammed Nintensity out of a P.Mu brake kit. This dude is everywhere.
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I'd just like to say that its impressive to have a scam presented and a resolution within 3 pages.

Tranny. It's all I'm going to say.
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