I can't believe how fucked up and full of shit the canadian government has become under the current conservative reign.:suspicious: I would imagine that if the abortion yes/no vote was brought to polls for people under 40 (the people that actually may have to be faced with that decision) like 10% would vote against it being legal, and 5% of those people would be insane religious fanatics that believe "the gays" (as quoted by them of course) are unnatural and evil as well.

Signed it. Shared it.

If I accidentally impregnate my girlfriend, what the hell am I supposed to do?
Fuck you Harper! :2finger:

Also, when a women becomes impregnated, it's basically a fucking clump of cells. Until it fully develops into the shape of a human, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it :swear:

Thank you.

You proved my point.

I'm at work and can't do too much research into this, but can someone point out what's the latest you can have an abortion? I thought if the fetus can survive outside the womb (like a premature baby), it's illegal to have an abortion? A quick google seems to contradict that, it looks like there's no restrictions on how late you can have an abortion.

I respect the woman's right to choice, but I also want to prevent things like women aborting a baby after finding out their sex, etc.

Currently they do not tell you the gender of the baby on a standard MSP paid ultrasound if you are prior to 20 weeks - most of the clinics will not do a non health issue related abortion beyond 3 months (the first trimester).

You CAN go to a private clinic and pay to find out the gender of the baby but this really still can't accurately be determined via ultrasound in the first trimester.

BUT while in many countries, selectively aborting babies on a gender basis is an issue, with the bulk of the Canadian population this is a non issue.

Pretty sure he was just being facetious there..

I thought this too. I was under the assumption that anything done after 3 months? is the latest. Not so much illegal but harder to do?

I am so happy the conservatives are going this route. Goes to show that power doesn't pass common sense. This party has become WAY too comfortable with their majority, going down this route will see them gone before the term. The sooner these assholes are out of office, the better.

Does anyone find it interesting how this American Conservative agenda has been able to permeate into Canadian politics? I find it very interesting how this Conservative agenda seems to follow the same recipe in both countries, i.e. less Corporate taxes, less government regulation, yet harder policies on crime, military, and social issues. I mean the agenda is so hypocritical it's laughable.

It's so frustrating because you know the interests that are going on behind the scenes, but we as regular people are completely left in the dark.

Plan B Pill :fuckyea:

No, I'm actually serious lol

16 weeks is the latest you can do one and there's only one clinic in Vancouver who will. Normally it's up to 14 weeks.

Legally, that's not the case here. Though many doctors will, due to personal morality, follow the general guidelines you just listed.

But life begins at conception :troll:

I for one agree that church and government should be as far apart as possible.
Also, I am also grateful that my mom chose not to abort me... It's funny how those who are Pro-abortion have already been born.

Ok, let's take a different approach.

When does life start? When does pinn3r's "clump of cells" become a life?

Because supporting a woman's right to choose or not, terminating a child at 14-16 weeks sounds like we're ending life to me.

In my mind, life becomes life when it is self-sustaining. So basically, at whichever point a preemie could survive. But again, everyone's different


:fulloffuck: So have anti-abortionists.

Pro-choice is not pro-abortion.

I'm still pro-choice and vehemently opposed to abortion. It's basically saying I would do anything to stop it from happening, except force the government to make the choice for you.

I respectfully decline to continue this dialogue.

I feel that by discussing it, we are no better than the old men who want to decide what women can do to their own bodies.

I don't know man...you start pushing into 16 weeks, that's 4 months...It may not survive on its own, but it seems pretty "alive" to me.

This is from wikipedia listed at 18 weeks.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_pregnant.png

That looks pretty life-like.

I'll formally go on the record to say that I'm pro-abortion.

Life begins when the male and female body create a sperm and egg.

Based on my crude understanding of a babies development during pregnancy, I believe a reasonable degree of sentience begins to emerge around week 20.

Edit.

So legally, they could have an abortion at any given time??

Yep. I don't really care about when women can abort, so long as they can.

Holy shit, just let the women decide what they want to do; the body is theirs
As I stated before, the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg, it's just a zygote. It has no capability of anything; no thoughts, no emotions ...
Until it actually develops into a human-like fetus, I'd actually be against that
If you're an anti-abortionist, you'd better fucking adopt all those unwanted children