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Read an interesting article on the Skull & Bones, can't find the link but basically the guy claimed that this one society was controlling the US government, financial system and the CIA because of the members which included George W. Bush, John Kerry, and a few CEO's linked to the bank and private equality companies.
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Read an interesting article on the Skull & Bones, can't find the link but basically the guy claimed that this one society was controlling the US government, financial system and the CIA because of the members which included George W. Bush, John Kerry, and a few CEO's linked to the bank and private equality companies.
secret fraternities are real and so is skull n bones there are a lot of others too wouldn't put much stock into there being a diabolical plot with them, however i could see them getting preferential treatment when they encounter
just like im sure at our places of business we'd give a client preferential treatment if they are from RS or at least I hope we all would
i know if i ever want drugs, guns, assassins and other black market shit... deep web is the place to go. I wouldn't venture down there unless you know how to protect yourself. I'm sure it's full of blackhats ready to fuck you over. and probably crawling with cops.
Yah...I wouldn't recommend deep web if you don't know what you're doing and if you decide to check it make sure you disable images in your browser settings because there's a lot of fucked up images like child porn.
The reason I asked was last time I was on there which was a few months ago I found some links which had stuff about government coverups and other shit. In fact a lot of the wikileaks stuff was floating around on deep web for a long before it came to the surface.
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in regards to the high-speed cameras
(i dont know about them btw)
a quick google search says
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In 1950, Morton Sultanoff, an engineer for the U.S. Army at Aberdeen Proving ground, invented a super high-speed camera that took frames at one-millionth of a second, and was fast enough to record the shock wave of a small explosion.
so if high speed cameras weren't commercially available in 1969 as he claims we know the military had them almost 20years before that
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I think his point was not that they didn't exist, but that they didn't exist in a practical manner for this intent.
yeah, and i think he's wrong about that
kept reading the wiki page and
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The first practical application of high-speed photography was Eadweard Muybridge's 1878 investigation into whether horses' feet were actually all off the ground at once during a gallop.
The first photograph of a supersonic flying bullet was taken by the Austrian physicist Peter Salcher in Rijeka in 1886, a technique that was later used by Ernst Mach in his studies of supersonic motion.[1]
Bell Telephone Laboratories was one of the first customers for a camera developed by Eastman Kodak in the early 1930s.[2] Bell used the system, which ran 16 mm film at 1000 frame/s and had a 100-foot (30 m) load capacity, to study relay bounce. When Kodak declined to develop a higher-speed version, Bell Labs developed it themselves, calling it the Fastax. The Fastax was capable of 5,000 frame/s. Bell eventually sold the camera design to Western Electric, who in turn sold it to the Wollensak Optical Company. Wollensak further improved the design to achieve 10,000 frame/s. Redlake Laboratories introduced another 16 mm rotating prism camera, the Hycam, in the early 1960s.[3] Photo-Sonics developed several models of rotating prism camera capable of running 35 mm and 70 mm film in the 1960s
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High-speed film cameras
High-speed motion pictures started in 1916 by German weapons scientists.[9]
There are three types of high-speed film camera;
Intermittent motion cameras, which are a speed-up version of the standard motion picture camera using a sewing machine type mechanism to advance the film intermittently to a fixed exposure point behind the objective lens,
Rotating prism cameras, which pull a long reel of film continuously past an exposure point and use a rotating prism between the objective lens and the film to impart motion to the image which matches the film motion, thereby canceling it out, and
Rotating mirror cameras, which relay the image through a rotating mirror to an arc of film, and can only work in a burst mode.[10]
Intermittent motion cameras are capable of hundreds of frames per second. Rotating prism cameras are capable of thousands of frames per second. Rotating mirror cameras are capable of millions of frames per second.
As film and mechanical transports improved, the high-speed film camera became available for scientific research. Kodak eventually shifted its film from acetate base to Estar (Kodak's name for a Mylar-equivalent plastic), which enhanced the strength and allowed it to be pulled faster. The Estar was also more stable than acetate allowing more accurate measurement, and it was not as prone to fire.
Each film type is available in many load sizes. These may be cut down and placed in magazines for easier loading. A 1,200-foot (370 m) magazine is typically the longest available for the 35 mm and 70 mm cameras. A 400-foot (120 m) magazine is typical for 16 mm cameras, though 1,000-foot (300 m) magazines are available. Typically rotary prism cameras use 100 ft (30m) film loads. The images on 35 mm high-speed film are typically more rectangular with the long side between the sprocket holes instead of parallel to the edges as in standard photography. 16 mm and 70 mm images are typically more square rather than rectangular. A list of ANSI formats and sizes is available.[11][12]
Most cameras use pulsed timing marks along the edge of the film (either inside or outside of the film perforations) produced by sparks or later by LEDs. These allow accurate measurement of the film speed and in the case of streak or smear images, velocity measurement of the subject. These pulses are usually cycled at 10, 100, 1000 Hz depending on the speed setting of the camera.
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not saying that ^^^ to mean that he's wrong and so the moon landing must be fake! just saying that i think his theory has a bit of holes in it like the theories he's trying to put down
If you listen to what he says, though, he's talking about a balance between the framerate and the amount of tape it would have taken; his arguments are fairly compelling.
Yes, high-speed cameras existed. Yes, the capacity for filming 143 minutes existed...but to fake 143 minutes using high-speed film without a single cut, dust speck or any other flaw? And then to repeat it four more times at a higher frame rate again, completely flawlessly?
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Didn't Mythbusters already destroy the "moon landing hoax" one pretty conclusively?
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so if high speed cameras weren't commercially available in 1969 as he claims we know the military had them almost 20years before that
Yeah, something a lot of these theories seem to forget, is that JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO TECHNOLOGY, is actually available somewhere LONG before it's released "commercially". Digital cameras didn't just magically appear in stores one day and there was no such thing before that. Prototypes, early designs, early attempts at most devices, are often around years or even decades before the general public knows about them... and they're available to anyone who has the money to pay for them (ie. governments, the military, etc.)
I don't think most people these days realize what it was like before Al Gore invented the Internet: we didn't have all this information foisted upon us about new and upcoming tech. People in this age are almost conditioned to NOT be surprised at new tech, because we're hearing about it almost from its inception. Pre-internet, new tech could be in design and development for ages and if you weren't actively seeking out information on it, you wouldn't know about it until it hit a commercially viable price point and you saw it in stores. Something that had been around for 20 years would seem like a new and innovative idea to most people, while today, our RSS feeds and Twitter feeds are loaded with "Hey, someone just thought of this great new thing".
Hell, the internet itself is like that: people think it's something that just magically appeared in 1995, but the fact is, its roots go back to the 1950s, and it was in common use by the military *and universities* since the 70s. It just wasn't until the 90s that public ISPs came to the fore to sell public access to it.
BTW, digital audio recording isn't new either... when Edison was first developing "wax cylinder recording" in the late 1800s, he had the concept of storing audio digitally... but the technology to make it possible was still over 100 years away.
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The LRO (lunar reconnaissance orbiter) has been taking high resolution images of the moon at an altitude of only 50km and several of those pictures show the landing sites, the lunar landers and other equipment left behind. They even have pictures of the tracks left by the lunar rover the astronauts used.
What's funny is how the conspiracy nutjobs are claiming these are also faked pictures to try and "back up" the fake pictures from the original moon missions.
China has had several probes orbiting the moon mapping it as well. The cameras on their early probes weren't good enough to spot anything as small as a lunar lander, but they are getting much better and China still has several missions planned (including an actual lander for this year).
You can bet there's nothing the Chinese would like better than to visit the moon and prove the Americans lied about the Apollo missions. If the Chinese do end up with pictures proving the Apoolo missions were real, are the conspiracists going to claim the US has now involved China to help keep the ruse going?
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