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Old 04-15-2013, 08:57 PM   #13501
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That's like saying Messier was a better player than Gretzky. Hey, The Great One participated in less than a handfull of fights in his career and needed Marty McSorley to protect him the entire time. MOAR LIKE TEH PATHETIC ONE I GUESS.
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I believe the point he is trying to make is that we need players who play with heart and show emotion. Not necessarily fighting and being physical.

You look at Toews for example, small guy but when he playes you can just look at him and see the drive in his face and the desire to win that battle for the puck.

Just my 2 cents.
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lmfao they dropped the stretcher l0lz wow....
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I believe the point he is trying to make is that we need players who play with heart and show emotion. Not necessarily fighting and being physical.

You look at Toews for example, small guy but when he playes you can just look at him and see the drive in his face and the desire to win that battle for the puck.

Just my 2 cents.
And again, this is relative and based on YOUR emotions watching the game, not what's actually happening on the ice.

How do you know Daniel and Henrik don't play with fire? Their emotion is all about hurting the other team on the scoreboard, not physically where it doesn't fucking matter. How do you know every time either those guys get slashed, they aren't thinking "FUCK. YOU. NOW I WILL SCORE." which is exactly what they did during the 2010-11 run.

You don't know what they're thinking. You don't know what they say on the bench. Just because they don't play a physical game doesn't mean they don't play with heart.

Hockey players are different. Why don't the Sedins run around checking everything that moves or retaliating when they get hit? BECAUSE THAT ISN'T THEIR GAME.

...and I don't know if you've noticed but back-to-back scoring titles, a Hart, a Pearson and a bunch of other hardware...they seem to be pretty fucking good at their game.
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^ hate to sound like the lowest denominator but how many Cups bra?

who gives a shit whats going on in their head? it's in THEIR head. That is not rubbing off onto the team you think when everyone else is sitting on the bench and Burrows is getting pumelled and the rest of the team watch sedins nonchalantly skate into a pile and one put a hand around a players shoulder that is inspiring "sticking up for one another" ?

I'm not in the room but i'd put money on neither of them ever standing up and making a point because no one could take them seriously and they know it. Henrik standing there and screaming at his team isnt going to get -anyone- going.

As other posters here have already described [which you have a hard time grasping] it's not about fighting, it's not about cheap shots, hell it's not even about grabbing that guy next to them and saying lets go out there and get a goal. Its about the "it" factor that ability to elevate your game in all aspects when it's needed the most

in the last two years there is not a single game i recall that the Sedins single handedly took over a game, and if there was it wasnt a meaningfull game.

now the "it" factor can be whatever you want it to be but i think you get the basic understanding so lets look at the playoff teams in the west:

CHI - Kane/Toews
ANA - Getzlaf/Perry
LA - Brown/Carter/Kopitar/Richards
SJ - Thornton/Marleau
MIN - Parise/Koivu/Pominville
STL - Backes/Perron
DET - Datsyuk/Zetterberg

can you honestly argue that ANY of those tandems/top players are softer to play against than the Sedins?

the Sedin top line has a trickle down effect on the team as a whole that puts additional pressure on the bottom 9

it isnt opinion it's fact.
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After watching modano being dropped from the stretcher i clicked around and found a very very interesting video...

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And again, you're basing this on your perception of what happens on the ice rather than what actually happens. You're thinking there's only one way to play hockey and win.
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Odjick and Bure man.....and throw Sergio Momesso in that too..
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guys who never won nothing.

and obviously Bure played with way more of an edge than the Sedins do, the guy wouldnt take shit
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Mark Messier kills Mike Modano - YouTube
It was a clean hit for the time and I'm really shocked no one brought up how there was no fight after? the way it should happen and not cause you lay a guy out you have to fight after. I hate that BS now and so miss how it was like back in the day....
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Forget about standing up for their teammates, they don't even stand up for themselves...
They just saving it up for the playoffs yo

In all seriousness, I have noticed a bit more sandpaper in their game this year, not always, but at times, like from a wet sand 2000 grit to a dry sand 2000 grit, its still an improvment. This season I've actually noticed them go in at times to finish a hit on the forecheck, like actually throw a hit and not just bump into a guy. They've stuck up well in scrums for themselves. They are continuing to evolve as players. They will never turn into the pure drive/grit type players you guys are talking about, they don't have the speed or the brute strength, and like Ronin said its not their game, but they are adding elements of it to make their game more complete.

I'll cut them some slack til the playoffs and see how they do. There's no sense complaining about it now; if they're going to do anything its not going to be in a meaningless game against a team who won't make the playoffs.

Can you imagine if we make a deep run this year, future us would be singing the praises of Sestito, Weise, Ebbett?? I can't. But I hope I'm wrong.
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i think the canucks have only won 3 games against playoff teams since the beginning of march. lol. i swear they've only played colorado, calgary, and the oilers for the last 6 weeks. there are 6 games left, including detroit, anaheim, stlouis, and chicago. will be a good indicator of what kind of shape they are really in.
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The thing is, I don't BLAME the Sedin's for their style of play that lacks that intensity...honestly, that killer instinct is almost like something you are born with, or get when you are raised in a certain manner.....As a basketball coach, I've dealt with too many players who are highly talented, but just don't have that killer instinct, which sucks because those guys never live up their true potential....they just don't have it, and it's either too late for them to get it, or you're just born with it....One thing I've noticed about these talented guys I coached who lack this killer instinct though, is that they seem to be totally babied by their parents, or other people who raised them.....
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i think the canucks have only won 3 games against playoff teams since the beginning of march. lol. i swear they've only played colorado, calgary, and the oilers for the last 6 weeks. there are 6 games left, including detroit, anaheim, stlouis, and chicago. will be a good indicator of what kind of shape they are really in.
They're saving it for the playoffs..

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The thing is, I don't BLAME the Sedin's for their style of play that lacks that intensity...honestly, that killer instinct is almost like something you are born with, or get when you are raised in a certain manner.....As a basketball coach, I've dealt with too many players who are highly talented, but just don't have that killer instinct, which sucks because those guys never live up their true potential....they just don't have it, and it's either too late for them to get it, or you're just born with it....One thing I've noticed about these talented guys I coached who lack this killer instinct though, is that they seem to be totally babied by their parents, or other people who raised them.....
What you're talking about though sounds more like an Alex Kovalev or a Kostitsyn. I don't think anybody would dare say that the Sedins haven't reached their talent potential. It's a completely different style of play. They are about strategizing, puck movement, open ice utilization, play anticipation. That killer instinct you are talking about is but one style of play
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The thing is, I don't BLAME the Sedin's for their style of play that lacks that intensity...honestly, that killer instinct is almost like something you are born with, or get when you are raised in a certain manner.....As a basketball coach, I've dealt with too many players who are highly talented, but just don't have that killer instinct, which sucks because those guys never live up their true potential....they just don't have it, and it's either too late for them to get it, or you're just born with it....One thing I've noticed about these talented guys I coached who lack this killer instinct though, is that they seem to be totally babied by their parents, or other people who raised them.....
who are you to BLAME the sedins for anything in the first place? You can't compare basketball to hockey since it's a completly different style of game with a completly different style of intesity....
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The thing is, I don't BLAME the Sedin's for their style of play that lacks that intensity...honestly, that killer instinct is almost like something you are born with, or get when you are raised in a certain manner.....As a basketball coach, I've dealt with too many players who are highly talented, but just don't have that killer instinct, which sucks because those guys never live up their true potential....they just don't have it, and it's either too late for them to get it, or you're just born with it....One thing I've noticed about these talented guys I coached who lack this killer instinct though, is that they seem to be totally babied by their parents, or other people who raised them.....
Shit. I guess if Wayne Gretzky played with this intensity you're talking about he'd be the best of all time.

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who are you to BLAME the sedins for anything in the first place? You can't compare basketball to hockey since it's a completly different style of game with a completly different style of intesity....
What a stupid response..."Who are you to judge?"....I could say that to any post in this thread....That's what everybody is doing...That's what fans do...judge...

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Shit. I guess if Wayne Gretzky played with this intensity you're talking about he'd be the best of all time.

Pretty sure Gretzky had that killer instinct and took over games all the time
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I don't understand this whole 'killer instinct' talk. What is 'killer instinct' on the ice?
Laying a huge hit? Slashing someone? Punching someone in the face? Scoring hat-tricks?
Scoring PP goals?
Pretty vague term with no backup. That is why your argument is not really clear.
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I don't understand this whole 'killer instinct' talk. What is 'killer instinct' on the ice?
Laying a huge hit? Slashing someone? Punching someone in the face? Scoring hat-tricks?
Scoring PP goals?
Pretty vague term with no backup. That is why your argument is not really clear.
an aggressive tenacious urge for domination in a struggle to attain a set goal.
a strong will to win and an urge to succeed unmindful of the consequences for others. It is a fighting spirit. It is not flight but fight to the finish. It demonstrates ‘do or die’ scenario. It is a combative and competitive mentality to win at any cost.

It is confluence of courage, confidence, competence, fortitude, resilience and tenacity. It is combination of physical, mental and spiritual powers. Doing something even if the odds are insurmountable requires killer instinct. It is like having guts to try again whether you succeed or fail. It is like exploring the unknown without any fear of failure. At the same time, killer instinct does not mean being ferocious and careless in your approach. It outlines calculated strategy to maximize efficiency, effectiveness and safety.


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"WHERE KNOWLEDGE IS WEALTH": Is Killer Instinct Essential for Success?

Sedin's just don't seem to have it on the level of certain other guys....Especially come playoffs, I rarely expect Sedin's to take control of the game; I remember couple years back when Kesler was healthy and having that great season, I'd expect HIM to take over games, and he would, but I've never had that feeling with the Sedin's...
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I'm having trouble grasping this 'killer instinct' thing in hockey too. Instead of a single player having a killer instinct, maybe it's a team characteristic?

eg. Canucks are up 2-0, but end up blowing it, and eeking out a 3-2 win. Meanwhile Chicago will bury you 5-0.
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What a stupid response..."Who are you to judge?"....I could say that to any post in this thread....That's what everybody is doing...That's what fans do...judge...



Pretty sure Gretzky had that killer instinct and took over games all the time
Dont think you've ever watched Gretzky lol
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