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Old 06-20-2012, 03:11 PM   #1
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SHINER, Texas -- Hearing his 5-year-old daughter crying from behind a barn, a father ran and discovered the unthinkable: A man molesting her. The father pulled the man off his daughter, authorities say, and started pummeling him to death with his fists.

With his daughter finally safe, the father frantically called 911, begging a dispatcher to find his rural ranch and send an ambulance. "Come on! This guy is going to die on me!" the man is heard screaming on the 911 call. "I don't know what to do!"

A recording of the tape was played during a news conference Tuesday where the Lavaca County district attorney and sheriff announced that the father will not face charges.

In declining to indict the 23-year-old father in the June 9 killing of Jesus Mora Flores, a Lavaca County grand jury reached the same conclusion as investigators and many of the father's neighbors: He was authorized to use deadly force to protect his daughter.

"It's sad a man had to die," said Michael James Veit, 48, who lives across the street from where the attack happened in this small community run on ranching and the Shiner beer brewery. "But I think anybody would have done that."

Father's desperate 911 call

The family ranch is so remote that on the 911 tape, the father is heard screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. At one point, he tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital.

"He's going to die!" the father screams, swearing at the dispatcher. "He's going to f------ die!"

The tense, nearly five-minute call begins with the father saying he "beat up" a man found raping his daughter. The father grows increasingly frazzled, shouting into the phone so loudly at times that the call often becomes inaudible.

The Associated Press is not identifying the father in order to protect the daughter's identity. The AP generally does not identify victims of sexual assault.

"He's a peaceable soul," V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, told reporters at the Lavaca County Courthouse.

The San Antonio Express reported that Huser said the father “had no intention to kill anyone on that day.”

“In our opinion, the story is over. You will not get an interview from (the father) or his family,” she said, according to the paper, asking for the family to be left alone.
The attack happened on the family's ranch off a quiet, two-lane county road between the farming towns of Shiner and Yoakum.

Ran toward his child's screams

A statement released by the district attorney said a witness who saw Flores "forcibly carrying" the girl into a secluded area scrambled to find the father.
Running toward his daughter's screams, the father pulled Flores off his child and "inflicted several blows to the man's head and neck area," investigators said.

Emergency crews responding to the father's 911 call found Flores' pants and underwear pulled down on his lifeless body. The girl was examined at a hospital, and Lavaca County District Attorney Heather McMinn said forensic evidence and witness accounts corroborated the father's story that his daughter was being sexually molested.

The father was never arrested, but the killing was investigated as a homicide.
Philip Hilder, a Houston criminal defense attorney and former federal prosecutor, said he would have been surprised if the grand jury had decided to indict the father. Hilder said Texas law provides several justifications for the use of deadly force, including if someone commits a sexual assault.
"The grand jury was not about to indict this father for protecting his daughter," he said.

Authorities said the family had hired Flores before to help with horses on the ranch. He was not born in the U.S., but was here legally with a green card. Attempts to locate Flores' relatives through public records were unsuccessful.
On Tuesday, a new "No Trespassing" sign was freshly tacked onto a gate barring entrance down a gravelly, shrub-canopied path leading to the barn and chicken coop on the ranch, which belonged to the father's dad.

At the father's house, the front yard could pass for a children's playground: Blue pinwheels sunk into patchy grass, an above-ground swimming pool, a swing set, a trampoline and a couple of ropes dangling from a tree for swinging. A partial privacy fence is painted powder blue.

No one answered at the father's home. A few miles away, at a home listed as belonging to the father's sister, a woman shouted through the front door that the family had nothing to say. Huser, the father's attorney, told reporters that neither the father nor anyone else in the family would ever give interviews and asked that they be left alone.

Veit, who lives near the ranch, described the father as easygoing and polite — down to always first asking permission to search Veit's property for animals that had wandered off the ranch, even though the families have long known each other.

Veit's son was a classmate of the father's at Shiner High School in a graduating class of about two dozen. Veit, 48, said the young father was never known to be in trouble.

"Just like a regular kid, went to dances, drank beer like the rest of the kids around here," Veit said.

'Traumatized for life'

Shiner, a town of about 2,000 people about 80 miles east of San Antonio, revolves around the Spoetzl Brewery that makes Shiner, one of the nation's best-selling independent beers. Even gas stations here sell it on tap.

Flores' death is only the sixth homicide the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office has investigated in the last eight years. Shiner residents boast their squeaky-clean image on a highway welcome sign: "The Cleanest Little City in Texas."
At Werner's Restaurant, customer Gail Allen said she didn't want to speak for the whole town, though her comments echoed what others said.

"The father has gone through enough," said Allen, 59, who has nine grandchildren. "The little girl is going to be traumatized for life, and the father, too, for what happened. He was protecting his family. Any parent would do that."

Patrons at Howard's Convenience Store told the San Antonio Express that they also backed the father.

“I think it's great, they should have given him a medal for what he did, defending his daughter,” Leroy Wagner, 79, told the paper.

“He was being a responsible father, any responsible father would have done the same thing,” added Joe Marek, 59, a local electrician.

And Victor Casper, 65, a retired county worker, told the Epxress, “If it was my kids, I would have done the same thing. I would have defended them, too.”
Would you have done the same? Should charges be laid? Is the murder justifiable or should it have been handled better?

Ultimately I'm glad there is one less child molester out there and if there is evidence backing up the father's story I'm for it

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‘The substantial amount of evidence showed that the witness statements and the father’s statement and what the father had observed was in fact what had happened that day, the Lavaca County District Attorney, Heather McMinn, told reporters

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There's no time to think. Only react. The man did what any father would do in that situation.
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There's no time to think. Only react. The man did what any father would do in that situation.
I think even as a passer by who didn't know the child seeing a grown man molest a 5 year old girl is enough to make you beat the living hell out of the guy.
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Rapist got what he deserved. If that was my daughter, I would have beat him to death intentionally.
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i think everyone except for people who follow the absolute letter of the law (or think laws are 100% right etc because they're there for a reason etc etc) will agree
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The thought of someone sexually assaulting a 5 year old is enough to make my stomach turn. If I were in his shoes, I would have done the very same thing. Poor, poor family
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i think everyone except for people who follow the absolute letter of the law (or think laws are 100% right etc because they're there for a reason etc etc) will agree
I especially agree with the explanation for the ruling: That the father was justified in using deadly force to protect his daughter.

Paternal instincts kick in, just like any animal. If you see someone fucking with your child, you want to fuck them up. If the first thought going through your head is "I better hold this guy for the police", you're not a good enough parent.
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I did post this in the no need to start a new thread thread. But I'm happy he didnt get away with it and the father wasn't charged. I would like to see this happen more cause people like that shouldnt be alive.
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I got mixed emotions.

I feel bad for the little girl who might be affected for the rest of her life. While feeling content that the filthy motherfucker is completely gone.
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Any sane person hearing the cries of a child would come to aid them...
If the father got jail time, I would personally go over there and beat the judge

Its bad enough for an adult to rape another adult, but doing it to a child... disgusting
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One less scum fuck on the earth, but the man's daughter might have to live with the memory with the rest of her life.
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I have no problems on how justice was served for the child molester,personally I think they all should be dealt with this way.
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I think even as a passer by who didn't know the child seeing a grown man molest a 5 year old girl is enough to make you beat the living hell out of the guy.
Sort of like how McQueary saw Sandusky molesting a boy in the shower and all he did was report the incident to Paterno? Two completely different reactions to someone getting molested, one by a coward and one by a "normal" person doing what anyone would do if they witnessed something happening to a child.
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I think the result is pretty satisfying. I mean, if any douche is sexually molesting my child, the last thing I would think is the consequences I am going to face. I'm gonna beat the shit out of this guy.

And this is Texas we are talking about... the douche was lucky that the dad didn't unload a few rounds of shotgun on his dick.
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Canada would be a better place if justice is like it here. It seems that if this happen in Canada and the molester didnt die, the father would be put in jail for 1 year and the molester would be walking the streets in 6 months.

Good on him for beating the shit out of him, I would of done the same without even thinking.
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I think the key here is that there was a witness seeing the man carrying away the child, and the father then witnessed the act in progress. The result is what any reasonable person would expect to have happened, especially in Texas.

What's truly FUCKED is our expectation that if the exact same thing were to happen here in BC or Canada, it would turn out any differently. I don't think it should.

The only thing I would have done differently was probably not to let him die so easily.
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Can someone post that gif of the black and white picture of a guy slow clapping. Thanks.
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I feel he should have been charged initially and then be found not guilty but since they skipped that and went to investigating first, they considered the same issues as if he were on trial and came to the correct result

I have no issues, I can see some people being disconcerted that someone died but I don't feel the dad wanted to kill him and I don't think any other dad would have done differently



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Sort of like how McQueary saw Sandusky molesting a boy in the shower and all he did was report the incident to Paterno? Two completely different reactions to someone getting molested, one by a coward and one by a "normal" person doing what anyone would do if they witnessed something happening to a child.
Fully agreed I can't believe people were placing more blame/hate on Paterno than they were on McQueary that guy should be charged along with Sandusky
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