Originally Posted by MoBettah (Post 8032087)

Listen tool, would you tell a Jew who lived through the holocaust in Germany to "Grow the fuck up?"

There are many many people alive who suffered through this, we are not even a generation removed from it.

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 8032292)

People already are.

People who hang history over the heads of individuals who are far removed from incidents and wars that is a generation or two is getting old and tiresome; and is really at this point, is just a pandering for attention via woe-is-me/us sympathy.


Yes, we all know the history; but also we have healed and moved on. I see so many Korean friends in good terms (and even married to Japanese spouses); I know a lot of of Chinese friends who are too as well. In fact, from what I gather, this is no longer (and hasn't been for a long time) a social taboo anymore.

IMO, opening up old wounds under the guise of "reflecting history" does nothing more than just push all the social advances we have accomplished recently back to what is was in the 1940's.


So yeah, this wayyy off topic now.

Originally Posted by MoBettah (Post 8032087)

Listen tool, would you tell a Jew who lived through the holocaust in Germany to "Grow the fuck up?"

There are many many people alive who suffered through this, we are not even a generation removed from it.

Originally Posted by tool001 (Post 8032198)

r u seriously using that as a rebuttle?

when japan got bombed twice, do u think they asked US for apology? (if u know ur history,, japan was already done way before they got bombed.)

british killed thousands of people in india/pakistan ,,do u think India is going after England asking for an apology?

and same goes for US, using agent orange.. guess Vietnam should ask US "u say sorry now"

Originally Posted by mr_chin (Post 8032388)

Being educated on history like this is useless. It does nothing in the advance world like today but only bring on hate and maybe for some people, commit more crime.

If Nanjing never happened, do you think the Chinese would be as mad as they are today about the Diaoyu island?

I feel remorse for the victims, I truly do. And I still believe the Japanese had apologized for the Nanking incident. But it will never be enough because I am Chinese myself and I know for a fact that Chinese people hold every inch of grudge they have against any body that has done something to them. Every inch of returned favor, they slowly shave it off the grudge, until they feel that it has equally been returned.

Now again, I hate history, and I think we should let it fade. Yes victims suffered, but they should stop talking about it everywhere they go like it is the only thing that matter in today's world. Even worse, they try to pass it down their generations to our kids today in a sense that ALL Japanese people are bad people. We have schools for these teaching for fucks sakes.

And you sir, need to let this go as well. If you were not there to witness the massacre and are only basing the events off stories, teachings, pictures, and the media, take it with a grain of salt. We have advanced in life that it does not matter what happened 70 years ago, but what is happening now in China.

If the Chinese are rioting because they still feel anger from Nanking, then my judgement on the Chinese is still true. If they are rioting because of pride and dignity to fight for what's theirs, my judgement is still true. The Japanese bought the island, they didn't steal, hurt, rape, kill, or cheat to get it (but I can't say they didn't either in the shadows). As far as my knowledge goes, the majority of the Chinese protesting don't even know what they are protesting for/against but are joining the bandwagon because it is the Japanese and not anybody else.



Apology and condolences by the Prime Minister and Emperor of Japan
See also: List of war apology statements issued by Japan

On August 15, 1995, the fiftieth anniversary of the Surrender of Japan, the Japanese prime minister Tomiichi Murayama gave the first clear and formal apology for Japanese actions during the war. He apologized for Japan's wrongful aggression and the great suffering that it inflicted in Asia. He offered his heartfelt apology to all survivors and to the relatives and friends of the victims. That day, the prime minister and the Japanese Emperor Akihito pronounced statements of mourning at Tokyo's Nippon Budokan. The emperor offered his condolences and expressed the hope that such atrocities would never be repeated. Iris Chang, author of The Rape of Nanking, criticized Murayama for not providing the written apology that had been expected. She said that the people of China "don't believe that an... unequivocal and sincere apology has ever been made by Japan to China" and that a written apology from Japan would send a better message to the international community.[10]

It's not enough though. If the apology was in letter. They'll want it on public live television. If the apology was on television, they'll want it someone to step forth to take responsibility. If someone step forth and take the responsibility, they'll request that Japan teach Nanking to the children the way the Chinese wants them to.

I am Chinese, and I know the line doesn't stop at "apology".

Originally Posted by bing (Post 8032419)

I get your point that at some time people should let go, but I still think that 70 years is not a long time for people to "forget", and the negative sentiment towards the Japanese army for their actions is still widely culturally held. Yes I may not have been there but I am in some way personally affected. These actions happened during my grandparent's era and the experience forever changed them. Never mind the fact that my family lost generations of accumulated wealth from their invasion, I am more horrified at what they did and refuse to own up to. I could also make the argument that if apologies are so easy to make, why doesn't Japan do so? Obviously, whatever they have been able to muster till now have been considered to be insincere and insufficient based on the gravity and nature of the offenses. I do not blame the Japanese people themselves since they had nothing to do with it and may not really know; rather, I am pointing at their leadership to take responsibility. From your example of Iris Chang, seems like the issue is getting it put in writing - that is being refused.

Originally Posted by mr_chin (Post 8031473)

here are some points i like to make about 100% chinese people.

- holds grudges. they count every single favor/offense to the heart. it's like they have a calculator implemented in their brain for this.
- they'll bring shit up from years ago if they had to. they'll bring shit up from centuries even.
- 101% pride and dignity. they'll stand up to what they believe no matter if it's right or wrong.
- therefore, they are very ignorant people.
- don't like to mind other's people business until it comes knocking on their door.

honestly, breaking your own car because it's made by japan? the fuck kinda concept is this? the moment you bought it and took it off the lot, it no longer belongs to japan. it's yours. whether you break it or love it, the japanese could care less. they have your money now.

Originally Posted by Wongtouski (Post 8032332)

I could repeat what most people here have said already but the fact remains.

1) The Japanese have no apologised, nor showed any signs of remorse
2) They changed their textbooks (China does this too for other issues but I digress)

Originally Posted by bing (Post 8032419)

I get your point that at some time people should let go, but I still think that 70 years is not a long time for people to "forget", and the negative sentiment towards the Japanese army for their actions is still widely culturally held. Yes I may not have been there but I am in some way personally affected. These actions happened during my grandparent's era and the experience forever changed them. Never mind the fact that my family lost generations of accumulated wealth from their invasion, I am more horrified at what they did and refuse to own up to. I could also make the argument that if apologies are so easy to make, why doesn't Japan do so? Obviously, whatever they have been able to muster till now have been considered to be insincere and insufficient based on the gravity and nature of the offenses. I do not blame the Japanese people themselves since they had nothing to do with it and may not really know; rather, I am pointing at their leadership to take responsibility. From your example of Iris Chang, seems like the issue is getting it put in writing - that is being refused.

Originally Posted by Hehe (Post 8032993)

These riots in China just show you how fuck'd up the Chinese society is by the communist party's brainwash.

I look at the pictures, all these people in their teens, maybe 2x or even 3x... what the FUCK Japanese have ever done to them? All the Chinese, including their family or relatives that suffered from the Japanese invasion are either dead or very old to even walk properly, let alone joining these riots. On what ground do these people riot? The pain and losses Japanese invasion caused you? Mao killed more Chinese than all Japanese had ever done during his regime and I don't see anyone rioting against communist party.

For most of these people's life, they use Japanese made/designed products, watch Japanese porn and probably work in a company with direct/indirect relation ship with Japanese. I am not saying that Chinese should simply forget what Japanese had done in the past. But one learns from the lesson and moves on. The Japanese today is different than those Japanese during the invasion. They should not be judged or treated equally.

Originally Posted by ae101 (Post 8032708)

9-18, the day that japan blow up there only railway & frame china for it just so they can invade china

also just cuz they japanese said they were sorry doesnt really mean they mean't it as they never admitted they were wrong in the 1st place

Originally Posted by mr_chin (Post 8032686)

Like you even said, the gravity and nature of the offenses. There is NOTHING that ANYBODY could do TODAY to make up for the massacre that happened in Nanking. NOTHING. If there was anything that could be done, it should have been done 10 years after, 20 years after. So stop dwelling on it and move on.

What's happening today matters most. But it appears that some Chinese are still using this excuse to start controversies. Burning down Toyota dealerships, burning down Japanese brand cars... do they ever think that Chinese people work in these dealership to make money to feed their kids? Do they ever think that Chinese people use their hard earn money to buy these vehicles for every day commute? No, because they're stubborn ignorant people who thinks that by vandalizing, they showed the Japanese that this is serious business. *snicker*

Originally Posted by bing (Post 8033378)

For those who claim that an adequate apology has been made. This may help to explain what is meant by insincere and why it still riles up ethnic tensions.

Originally Posted by alpinestars (Post 8033561)

Shouldn't 70 years be long enough to forget about something? White america has forgotten its racial past.