Originally Posted by hchang (Post 8038229)

There is choice: an animal is able to run away if they don't like what they feel (unless you forcefully hold them). Whereas a baby is not able to "run away".
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Originally Posted by MindBomber (Post 8038241)

If the horse receiving a HJ from a female in the video watched by RedlinesDaily did not enjoy the act,...

Originally Posted by MindBomber (Post 8038241)

hchang is echoing the position of Peter Singer, MarkyMark is echoing the position of Tom Regan; both very well recognized contemporary philosophers who have debated the topic of zoophilia/bestiality. The sex with children argument is the exact counter given by Regan to Singer's position that sex with animals is morally allowable.

Singer's position is stronger, imo.

If the horse receiving a HJ from a female in the video watched by RedlinesDaily did not enjoy the act, he could easily protested and prevented it. The horse did not protest, therefore he was a willingly participating.

A human child cannot physically protest the act and prevent it, therefore it would equate to being non-consensual and rape.

Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 8038245)

That's not a choice, there was no asking that's just "let me stick my dick in your ass and see how you react to it"

Is nothing safe from us anymore, not even a dogs sweet virgin ass lol.
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Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 8038252)

I'm more disgusted by the fact that its even on the table of debate. I like freedom but at some point the whole "if it feels good do it" line shouldn't be crossed.
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Originally Posted by Redlines_Daily (Post 8038249)

oh jesus... :inoutugh:...

Originally Posted by hchang (Post 8038261)

Your dick won't be fully in an ass before you get a reaction.

Originally Posted by MindBomber (Post 8038263)

You're entitled to be disgusted, but the issue is whether your opinion is subjective or based on sound reasoning - which would be a good basis for support of a law preventing zoophilia/bestiality.

There are people disgusted by both anal and oral sex, and those acts are illegal in many parts of the world including areas of America. Surely you are not disgusted by these acts, are you?

I expect, you would simply encourage people disgusted by anal or oral sex to avoid those activities personally and not attempt to prevent others from engaging in them, and there to not be an actual law against them. See the similarities between the two cases?



:lol

You deserve props for being the first person to speak out in defense of the dude, that's not an easy position to take.

Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 8038276)

The difference being one is between two people who definitely have mutual consent, and the other is "well it sure looks like he's having fun otherwise that horse wouldn't have busted a nut all over her face after she stroked its penis 500 times". You're assuming it will run away if it wanted to.
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8038299)

hchang and mindbomber,

have you ever considered interbreeding may start new types of diseases which may not be identified of its origin because the ones affected will be too embarassed to admit to their actions?

Originally Posted by pinn3r (Post 8038279)

what the shit... you guys are getting way too deep with this & are overlooking something. bestiality & zoophilia are fucking disgusting no matter how you look at it
with that kinda reasoning, you guys are saying it's okay to even consider having sex with animals?

if you can't even breed within your own species then you're desperate and fucked in the head. humans have sex with humans, END OF STORY
this is what's conventional & morally accepted, don't even try to argue with that

Originally Posted by pinn3r (Post 8038279)

what the shit... you guys are getting way too deep with this & are overlooking something. homosexuality is fucking disgusting no matter how you look at it
with that kinda reasoning, you guys are saying it's okay to even consider having sex with other guys?

if you can't even breed within your own gender then you're desperate and fucked in the head. guys have sex with girls, END OF STORY
this is what's conventional & morally accepted, don't even try to argue with that

Originally Posted by pinn3r (Post 8038279)

what the shit... you guys are getting way too deep with this & are overlooking something. bestiality & zoophilia are fucking disgusting no matter how you look at it
with that kinda reasoning, you guys are saying it's okay to even consider having sex with animals?

if you can't even breed within your own species then you're desperate and fucked in the head. humans have sex with humans, END OF STORY
this is what's conventional & morally accepted, don't even try to argue with that

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8038299)

hchang and mindbomber,

have you ever considered interbreeding may start new types of epidemics which may not be identified of its origin because the ones affected will be too embarassed to admit to their actions?

Originally Posted by MindBomber (Post 8038301)

Horses are not like dogs, they're much more instinct driven and don't show the same type of loyalty. If the horse was displeased or in pain, it would protest or at the least show very clear signs of the displeasure. If the horse shows no signs of displeasure or protest, it can be very safely said that it is willingly participating. If you're really stuck on the consensual aspect, I'm sure a video of a dog freely approaching a woman and having sex with her exists, just like a dog humping a person leg, but with the woman in a position for it to advance further than just leg humping......

Aside from that, it is the sexual aspect that makes zoophilia/bestiality illegal, the act of masturbating an animal is legal and takes place routinely on nearly every farm with large animals. The reason for it being illegal is very specially tied to the sexual aspect, that's what I really want to see a reasoning for?




That's a VERY interesting argument to make.

The diseases that can be passed to humans by domesticated animals are largely identified though, because something that would pass sexually would also pass through consumption of flesh.



As I stated earlier, some people find fellatio, oral sex, and homosexuality disgusting and as a result there are laws preventing it. Unless you can actually expand on your argument, it is no stronger than the ones used to argue in favour of laws preventing the forementioned acts.

Originally Posted by freakshow (Post 8038355)

see how ridiculous your argument sounds?
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Originally Posted by pinn3r (Post 8038413)

yea i understand what you're getting at, but these are animals dude.. advocating that kinda stuff is just messed. i'm 100% with homosexuality though 'cause it's within our species
even if these animals enjoyed sex with humans, doesn't mean anybody should be doing it. let em do their business among their own
twitchyzero's right; what if they carried some infectious contagion that could be transmitted to humans

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo (Post 8038420)

Terrible argument as HIV and other STDs are carried by Humans... But that never stopped people from having sex.
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Originally Posted by pinn3r (Post 8038413)

yea i understand what you're getting at, but these are animals dude.. advocating that kinda stuff is just messed. i'm 100% with homosexuality though 'cause it's within our species
even if these animals enjoyed sex with humans, doesn't mean anybody should be doing it. let em do their business among their own
twitchyzero's right; what if they carried some infectious contagion that could be transmitted to humans

Originally Posted by pinn3r (Post 8038431)

well of course as a species, we're gonna have our own diseases & infections
but didn't HIV/AIDS come from apes?

Originally Posted by MindBomber (Post 8038446)

Bestiality isn't for me, but from a philosophical point of view a stronger argument needs to be made than, "just messed," or, "the bible said it's wrong," to actually conclude that it is wrong (and make a law against it).

If it doesn't hurt the animal, and it can be reasonably concluded that it is consensual, I don't see it being wrong. To say, bestiality is wrong because it's interspecies doesn't sound much stronger than saying homosexuality is wrong because it's same-sex. Not only do I love animals, but I engage in all sorts of different activities with them, so why is sex different, it's just another natural behaviour

Originally Posted by MindBomber (Post 8038446)

Bestiality isn't for me, but from a philosophical point of view a stronger argument needs to be made than, "just messed," or, "the bible said it's wrong," to actually conclude that it is wrong (and make a law against it).

If it doesn't hurt the animal, and it can be reasonably concluded that it is consensual, I don't see it being wrong. To say, bestiality is wrong because it's interspecies doesn't sound much stronger than saying homosexuality is wrong because it's same-sex. Not only do I love animals, but I engage in all sorts of different activities with them, so why is sex different, it's just another natural behaviour.

Let me throw one hypothetical scenario out there:
Aliens contact earth, they share technology with us and intergalactic travel is now possible. You can now travel to a planet 100 light-years away with beautiful human-like aliens (ie. a different species) who we are capable of having sex with and disease is no concern (aliens took care of all that for us). Would it be wrong to sleep with the beautiful human-like aliens, because they're a different species?



Yes, that's the leading theory - but it wasn't spread by sexual contact, it was spread by eating bush meat (poached gorillas).

Like I said to Twitchy, people have a pretty solid understanding of what diseases domesticated animals have and if they can spread to humans. I've the blood, saliva, vaginal fluid (checking for pregnancy and birthing), urine, and feces of various animals on my skin, and have consumed milk, eggs, and flesh of domesticated animals, if there was something left to spread, it pretty much would have happened to someone through those common types of contact by now, and if it somehow hasn't, it would spread with or without bestiality occurring.

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy (Post 8038489)

I've seen video's where a naked lady is on all fours and the dog would mount the female and pump away till it came. I think it is safe to conclude that the dog knew what was going on.

Originally Posted by pinn3r (Post 8038473)

totally understandable. it's the fact that it isn't customary human behaviour and it's frowned upon to engage in these type of activities that makes me so against it

Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 8038466)

So if you had a friend or family member who suddenly told you they are in love with their dog and have been having sex with it, your perception of that person wouldn't change?

What's next, we're going to have people fighting for the right to marry an animal?
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Originally Posted by pinn3r (Post 8038473)

totally understandable. it's the fact that it isn't customary human behaviour and it's frowned upon to engage in these type of activities that makes me so against it

and with the hypothetical scenario: at least they're human-like, intelligent, & sentient :lol
not like having sex with a cow that doesn't know what the hell's happening to it

Originally Posted by MindBomber (Post 8038446)

people have a pretty solid understanding of what diseases domesticated animals have and if they can spread to humans. I've the blood, saliva, vaginal fluid (checking for pregnancy and birthing), urine, and feces of various animals on my skin, and have consumed milk, eggs, and flesh of domesticated animals, if there was something left to spread, it pretty much would have happened to someone through those common types of contact by now, and if it somehow hasn't, it would spread with or without bestiality occurring.

Originally Posted by Redlines_Daily (Post 8038040)

I saw a weird ass porn where a girl was jerking off a horse..Im sure the horse enjoyed it and there was no distress there.

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy (Post 8038489)

I've seen video's where a naked lady is on all fours and the dog would mount the female and pump away till it came. I think it is safe to conclude that the dog knew what was going on.

Originally Posted by MindBomber (Post 8038510)

If I can't identify something fundamentally wrong with an act, why would I look down on a person for engaging in it?

On marrying animals, how many people do you know that refer to dogs as their children? Marriage isn't that much further of a stretch.