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Old 09-29-2012, 11:38 PM   #1
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MVA/MVAR for towing

What section of the MVA or MVAR covers licence endorsements for towing recreational vehicles?

I wasn't able to find anything but I was browsing from my phone so I might have missed something.

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What section of the MVA or MVAR covers licence endorsements for towing recreational vehicles?

I wasn't able to find anything but I was browsing from my phone so I might have missed something.

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Just to clarify your question, do you mean which MVA/MVAR offences, authorize the towing of your vehicle?
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No.

Asides from ICBC's Licence Class page, what act or piece of legislation spells out the licence class and endorsement requirements for vehicles of different classes?

My parents are receiving conflicting information about recreational trailer weight restrictions and licence class/endorsement requirements.

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There are no weight limits for trailers anymore, they simply lowered the speed limit for towing to 20km/h, everywhere in the province. Knee-jerk reaction, apparently.

I thought you already knew all the regs and had all the possible interpretations already figured out?
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BC Laws -> Laws -> "towing".

MVAR 5.02:

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Trailer brakes
(3) A trailer shall be equipped with brakes at each end of each axle, but brakes are not required
(a) on one axle of a house trailer that is equipped with more than 2 axles,
(b) on any axle of a trailer other than a towing dolly if the licensed vehicle weight of the trailer
(i) is 1 400 kg or less, and
(ii) is less than 50% of the licensed vehicle weight of the vehicle by which it is being towed,
(c) on any axle of a towing dolly towed by a motor vehicle where
(i) the aggregate of the net weight of the towing dolly and the gross vehicle weight of the motor vehicle one axle of which is being carried by the towing dolly does not exceed 1 400 kg, or
(ii) the motor vehicle towing the towing dolly has a gross vehicle weight rating in excess of the aggregate of
(A) the net weight of the towing dolly,
(B) the gross vehicle weight of the motor vehicle one axle of which is being carried by the towing dolly, and
(C) the gross vehicle weight of the motor vehicle towing the towing dolly,
(d) on any axle of a motor vehicle one axle of which is being carried by a towing dolly, and
(e) on any axle of a trailer that consists of a piece of construction machinery towed by a truck where the truck has a gross vehicle weight rating in excess of the aggregate of the gross vehicle weights of the trailer and the truck.
(4) Brakes with which a trailer is equipped shall
(a) when applied be adequate to maintain control of the trailer,
(b) when applied not affect the direction of travel of the trailer, and
(c) where the licensed vehicle weight of the trailer exceeds 2 800 kg, be capable of being applied by the driver of the motor vehicle towing the trailer from his normal seated position.
(5) Notwithstanding subsection (1), a motorcycle shall be equipped with a brake on each wheel in contact with the ground, other than a wheel attached directly to a sidecar, and the brake on a rear wheel shall be operated by a right foot control, except where the motorcycle has a motor that produces 3.75 kW or less, in which case the rear wheel brake may be operated by a control mounted on the left handlebar.
(6) Brakes and coordinated brake control are not required on a motor vehicle with gross vehicle weight less than 2 800 kg which is being towed by
(a) a commercial vehicle with gross vehicle weight rating over 5 500 kg, or
(b) a rubber tired road building machine such as a motor-grader with normal operating weight rating over 5 500 kg,
provided that the aggregate weight of the combination does not exceed
(c) the gross vehicle weight rating of the towing motor vehicle, or
(d) in the case of a rubber tired road building machine, the registered test weight in the compliance testing of the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) J1473 brake performance standard.
(7) Brakes and coordinated brake control are not required on a towed motor vehicle that has a laden gross vehicle weight less than 2 000 kg and that is less than 40% of the gross vehicle weight rating of a motor home towing it via a tow bar.
[am. B.C. Regs. 69/59, s. (j); 46/67, s. 10; 226/67, s. 4; 205/72, s. 6; 343/77; 459/77, s. 2; 256/84, s. 6; 257/96, s. 1; 109/97, s. 1.]
MVAR 7.07:

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Trailer connections and towed vehicles
7.07 (1) No person shall drive or operate on a highway a motor vehicle and trailer unless

(a) the drawbar or other connection between the motor vehicle and trailer will hold the vehicles together,
(b) the device which couples the trailer to the motor vehicle is firmly attached to a structurally adequate integral part of the frame of each vehicle, or, where the towed vehicle is of a gross vehicle weight of less than 900 kg, to a structurally adequate part of the towing vehicle and to an integral part of the frame of the towed vehicle,
(c) the vehicles are equipped and connected with an auxiliary coupling device with a breaking strength of not less than the gross weight of the vehicle or vehicles being towed, except that this provision shall not apply where the coupling device is a fifth wheel and kingpin assembly used to couple a semitrailer to a truck tractor, and
(d) where the trailer is a towing dolly, the wheel at each end of the axle of the motor vehicle that is being carried by the towing dolly is secured to the towing dolly by a device that has a safe working load equal to
(i) the licensed vehicle weight of the motor vehicle one axle of which is being carried by the towing dolly, if that motor vehicle is licensed as a private passenger motor vehicle or commercial vehicle, or
(ii) the gross vehicle weight rating of the motor vehicle one axle of which is being carried by the towing dolly, if that motor vehicle displays a transporter number plate, demonstration number plate, manufacturer's number plate or repairman's number plate.
(1.1) For the purpose of subsection (1) (d), "safe working load" means, in relation to a device, the maximum load, repeatedly applied, that the device is capable of withstanding with complete safety throughout its normal service life.
Draw bar length
(2) Except when the combination of vehicles consists of a motor vehicle and a pole trailer, the length of the drawbar or other connection between the motor vehicle and the trailer shall not exceed 6 m.
Trailer swerving prohibited
(3) No person shall drive or operate on a highway any combination of vehicles if any vehicle being towed whips or swerves unreasonably or otherwise fails substantially to follow the path of the towing vehicle.
Trailer windows
(4) No person shall cause to be towed or otherwise operated on a highway a trailer with a window or other fixture extended outwards beyond the fender or hubcap of the trailer.
Riding in house trailer prohibited
(5) No person shall be on or in a trailer used for living accommodation while it is moving on a highway.
Towing occupied motor vehicle prohibited
(6) No person shall tow a motor vehicle if there is a person in or on the towed motor vehicle.
[am. B.C. Regs. 69/59, s. (p); 46/67, s. 14; 343/77; 256/84, ss. 7, 8; 150/91; 103/2006, s. 1; 97/2009, s. (b) .]
MVA Part 1 Division 3:

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Registration, licence and insurance
3 (1) Except as otherwise provided under this Act, the owner of a motor vehicle or trailer must, before it is used or operated on a highway,

(a) register the motor vehicle or trailer with the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia,
(b) obtain a licence for its operation under this section, and
(c) obtain for it an owner's certificate under the Insurance (Vehicle) Act.
(2) Despite subsection (1), a trailer towed by a tractor licensed under section 8 need not be licensed.
(3) The owner must apply for
(a) registration and licence in the form required by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, and
(b) a motor vehicle liability policy.
(4) The form of motor vehicle liability policy referred to in subsection (3) (b) must be signed by the owner and delivered to the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, a government agent or a person authorized in writing by the corporation for the purposes of this section, together with the prescribed fees, the insurance premium and the amount of tax owing in respect of the motor vehicle under the Social Service Tax Act, the Consumption Tax Rebate and Transition Act or section 212.1 or 218.1 or Division IV.1 of Part IX of the Excise Tax Act (Canada).
(5) For the purpose of every section of this Act requiring a person to obtain a certificate of insurance or pay an insurance premium or a premium for a driver's certificate,
(a) a government agent, or
(b) a person authorized in writing under section 9.2 (3) (b) of the Insurance Corporation Act
may act as an agent of the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia for the purposes of the Insurance (Vehicle) Act, despite section 9.2 of the Insurance Corporation Act, but a government agent or a person so authorized is not considered to be an insurance agent or insurance salesperson under the Financial Institutions Act and is not required to be licensed under that Act.
(6) For the purpose of every section requiring a person to obtain a licence or permit for a motor vehicle or to drive and operate a motor vehicle, an agent of the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, appointed under section 9.2 of the Insurance Corporation Act, is deemed to be a person authorized in writing by the corporation.
(7) On receiving the application in the form required by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, and on being satisfied of the truth of the facts stated in the application, and that the prescribed fees and insurance premium established under the Insurance (Vehicle) Act have been paid, the corporation must cause the name and address of the owner and a description of the motor vehicle or trailer to be registered in a file or index to be kept for that purpose, and must cause the following to be issued to the owner:
(a) a numbered licence in the form established by the corporation, showing registration of the motor vehicle or trailer and authorizing its use and operation in accordance with this Act;
(b) one distinctive number plate in the case of a motorcycle or trailer, and 2 distinctive number plates in the case of a motor vehicle other than a motorcycle;
(c) an owner's certificate and motor vehicle liability insurance card.
(8) Fees are not payable for the registration or licensing of a motor vehicle or trailer owned or used by a person who, through active service in the Armed Forces of the Crown in a war has lost a limb or is receiving a 100% disability pension, but the exemption granted by this subsection does not extend to the concurrent registration or licensing of more than one motor vehicle and one trailer for the same person, or to the insurance premium payable under subsection (4).
(9) On an application for the registration and licensing of a motor vehicle imported into British Columbia that has been registered or licensed at a place outside British Columbia, the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia may, as a condition of issuing the licence, require the applicant to deliver to the corporation the existing licence or certificate of registration and the current number plates issued for the motor vehicle outside British Columbia, to be retained by the corporation while the motor vehicle is used or operated in British Columbia.
(10) The Insurance Corporation of British Columbia may refuse to issue a licence for the operation of a motor vehicle or trailer if
(a) any fee or part of a fee for a previous licence issued under this Act for the motor vehicle or trailer is unpaid,
(b) any insurance premium or part of it for a previous owner's certificate issued under the Insurance (Vehicle) Act is unpaid, or
(c) any amount owing in respect of the motor vehicle under
(i) the Social Service Tax Act,
(ii) the Consumption Tax Rebate and Transition Act, or
(iii) section 212.1 or 218.1 or Division IV.1 of Part IX of the Excise Tax Act (Canada)
is not paid to the corporation.
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I'm specifically looking for the part that spells out the licence class and endorsement requirements for heavy house trailers.

ICBC's websits shows a requirement for a house trailer endorsement for trailers weighing more than 4,600 kg. I don't see this in the MVA/MVAR.
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