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A Christian Chaplain will conduct services for people of all faiths eh... I'm sure the Christian Chaplains will be willing to conduct a Wicca cermony, which of course requires wearing a pentacle, robes, an athame, and summoning the Goddess. |
sure there's a Charter argument in there somewhere can't say im surprised though the Cons are crazy |
Lawsuit coming. |
Conservatives :fuckthatshit: |
I can't get over how idiotic Toews has been |
Toews is the same guy who had an affair with a baby sitter that worked for him while he was married and He knocked her up. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AWA5BUt8Mf...600/debate.jpg |
How about just be fair and cut all chaplains period? If chaplains want to counsel inmates, they should do that on their own time. Why should tax payers pay for that? We pay our pastor $60k a year and he is obligated to go out to the community and talk to people and try to spread the word of god etc. That's part of his job. Our pastor went to one of the Abbotsford prison's monthly all of last year on our churches dollar and no one in our congregation said anything, we were all cool with it. I say just leave it up to the respective faiths to pay for the services. If they are so concerned about the inmates then they should pay for the chaplains. Almost $7 million going to this. Garbage. |
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I agree its kind of frivolous saving like $7m. Thats hardly anything. But honestly, why should the government be paying for this in the first place? If religions feel they need to provide a service to inmates, they can do it on their own time. Freedom of religion is a Canadian right, but tax payers shouldn't have to pay for your choices. |
If God loved those people in the first place, he would've influenced them to make better choices in their lives. |
Works for me. If your religion wants to reach out to those of your faith that made some bad choices, hold a bake sale, and hire a guy. |
In that article, it separates Christians and Catholics, aren't Catholics a kind of Christian (as in Protestants and Catholics are both Christians) I'm not at all religious, but that just seems odd to separate the two |
Christians, as a popular term nowadays, applies to most protestant churches who broke away from the Catholic faith after Martin Luther's protest and Calvin's reformation. Presbyterian, Baptist, Jesuit, Anglican, and even "unique" variants like Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists, 7th Day Adventists, and Mormons fall under than banner. Catholics have a very uniform method of training its priests and tend to disregard other branches of Christian worship (not in a derogatory way, just in a "Its not the way we do it" way), where different sects of protestant branches have different standards and one padre can give a "One Size Fits All" form of council to various branches of Christianity with only a little preparation beforehand. Conversely, you probably wont' see a Catholic priest try to give a sermon to a Pentecostalist. |
will you find a Christian Priest in a little boy? |
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^^^ its more in line with having the chaplains host prayer sessions within a facility (room) in the prisons the govt. pays for that because the chaplains have to go through their security screening process etc to be able to enter secure areas of the prison if a chaplain were to visit as you guys are suggesting they're only able to do so behind that glass window and speak to people individually during visiting hours thus restricting the amount of people getting a visit and restricting their religious practices i suspect that dollar amount shown has more to do with the costs of hosting prayer groups/sessions bibles etc than it does strictly as pay for the chaplains |
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Visits is a room that looks like a cafeteria without the food. Basically, tables and chairs that are bolted to the floor. That's how so many drugs and other things get inside. Background security checks aren't as big a deal as you think in most prisons. I imagine there is more involved to be able to work independently inside the prison, without a staff chaperone, but not as much as you'd think. Once again, I can't speak for what a max security is like, but when I toured a med. security prison, I was kind of shocked at how up close and personal the guards are in comparison to the prisoners. There were prisoners in and around me when I was there. This really has nothing to do with the chaplain system, but I just wanted to clear up a misconception I saw that I originally had. Thanks U.S. television! |
yes im aware of what our low/med/max/pretrial prisons look like (spent a short time going to them for work) but what i was getting at is the chaplain isn't going to be able to visit individuals en masse if they were restricted like regular visitors |
Two-thirds of inmates belong to a particular faith? Yet only 2% of the free population regularly engages in some type of regular "church" service. Either inmates are particularly religious or people affiliate themselves with something they don't participate in. I suspect the latter. Posted via RS Mobile |
many prisoners find religion or turn to their religions when they're incarcerated; some are genuine, some do so because they hope it looks better during a parole hearing |
tough call. I feel that government should refrain completely from having any involvement or funding with religious activity. period. I *do* realize that many inmates turn their life around with the help of religion. Hence, I do think it's important to help them in this regard. However, I also feel strongly that for us to progress forward as an entire RACE, we need to set and follow ethics and morals, based on common sense, fostering the well being of our fellow man and woman, and NOT based solely on a "fear" of retribution from some omnipotent god. I'm not an athiest, I do believe there is something wonderful and more powerful than we could ever comprehend - BUT I don't base how I live my life on that belief. I base my decisions on the simple concept: Pros vs Cons, and I avoid doing anything that will fuck up my life or anyone else's life. People in prison clearly have problems with this concept and sticking to it. In most cases, religion, or lack of religion, has ZERO to do with why someone is in jail. |
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Corrections and Conditional Release Act: http://i.imgur.com/H1Hkr.png Corrections and Conditional Release Regulations: http://i.imgur.com/dWeXG.png If and when the above sections are changed, it'd bring Section 2 of the Charter into the equation. When someone isn't locked up in prison, they're freely able to seek out a priest, for example. When we lock them up, we can't guarantee that there will be a priest who will come to the prison to meet them. It's a limitation on their freedom and, as such, in violation of Section 2. The Chaplaincy Service guarantees access. |
majority of catholic priests are freemasons especially those in the vatican just saying |
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