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Old 11-09-2012, 11:20 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by gars View Post
That's why it's called "off-road". When you're actually off-road, you're not covered by insurance. You'll see tons of non-standard lighting, mods, which state they're for "off-road" use only - or track use.
I wasn't stating the fact you're not covered by insurance. Nor talking about other mods such.

I was talking about how an airbag would be detrimental the safety of the driver in certain conditions. Thus removal would be the better option.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:27 AM   #27
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Originally Posted by BallPeenHammer2 View Post
just a quick opinion on 4/5 point harnesses:

They are DANGEROUS to be used on public roads, without the implementation of a proper HANS System.

Harnesses keep the body snug and held back into the seat, eliminating any movement fore and aft. They also don't slide on a roller like seatbelts do. So in the event of an accident or hard braking, the belts will hold you as tight as you have set them up to be.

So when that happens, your neck will be the only thing that still has the give to move, which means that it will most likely take almost all of the momentum from the stop/accident.

"The purpose of the device is to stop the head from whipping forward in a crash, without otherwise restricting movement of the neck. In a crash, an unprotected body is decelerated by the seatbelt with the head maintaining velocity until it is decelerated by the neck. The HANS device maintains the relative position of the head to the body, with the device transferring energy to the much stronger chest, torso, shoulder, seatbelts, and seat as the head is decelerated."

(HANS device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

So for the idiots that think it's cool to rock a 5 point harness for them AND/OR their passengers WITHOUT a proper HANS system:

You're doing more damage than good. Smarten up.
Modern seatbelts and shoulder harnessed do exactly that as well but only from three points. They dont slowly control your movement they have an explosive cylinder and cable mech to instantly cinch the belts tighter and not offer any slack. meaning your right side and head are free to launch forward in a twisting motion causing back neck shoulder and head trauma. Prior belts had a mechanical inertia lock usually a large steel ball and spring that would very quickly lock up the belt and offer no movement as well leading to the same type of injuries. Airbags lessen these injuries as they stop what the belt didnt. The reason four and five point belt are illegal for dtreet operation probably has more to do with the lack of reliable auto adjusters to keep them properly adjusted and the difficulty for untrained emergency crews to free you from them.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:09 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by OTG-ZR2 View Post
I wasn't stating the fact you're not covered by insurance. Nor talking about other mods such.

I was talking about how an airbag would be detrimental the safety of the driver in certain conditions. Thus removal would be the better option.
What I was trying to say is that you can remove it or disable it for off-roading. You can do whatever you want to your car if you're only using it off road.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:27 PM   #29
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i think the whole "gutted" theme is only an issue if you start removing safety equipment, meaning if you have seats, you must have seat belts, cant remove airbags and whatnot, so if you just strip seats and carpet i cant imagine them justifying a VI.

alot who gut their interiors run harness bars, roll cages, battery re locates, and even modified gas tanks that would not pass spec, meaning that the car isnt getting a VI because its gutted, just the other things that can go along with it.

i took out my rear seat belts to make mounting my c-pillar bar easier and was quickly told at a road block to put them back in, i NEVER have people in the back, i even told the officer i took out the seat belts so i had an excuse to not drive more then 1 person "i have my N" and he told me if that's the case then i have to take my rear seat out aswell.. so to avoid further problem i re mounted my rear seat belt.

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Old 11-09-2012, 06:12 PM   #30
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Din't forget that in the event of a roll over accident the 4/5 pt belts will keep you firmly tied into your seat and if the roof caves in, you will not be able to move and there is a high chance of getting smushed. With the standard 3 pt belts, you can slide to the the side. This is really importabt if you have a convertable and no roll over protection.
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