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Old 11-19-2012, 09:00 PM   #1
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Traffic Lawyer Recommendation - need Nortary

Long story short, Got a ticket 18 months ago and I'm trying to argue for my charter of right section 11b.

looking for a traffic lawyer to represent me incase I fuck up on anything..

do you guys have a well knowledged and educated one you could recommend?

so Far I've been told to contact Jonathan J Waddington. ($2200 for a case) but online I couldnt find a single review about this guy.. makes me wonder..

please dont give me a free legal advice lawyer..

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Old 11-19-2012, 09:09 PM   #2
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I could give you several suggestions but then the ones that appeared against me in court had extremely little traffic experience and usually plead their clients out for a reduced fine and walked away with their fees..

I testify as an expert witness in court these days and bill per the hour for case prep time, travel time, waiting time, time testifying and all associated expenses. Lawyers work the same way. I guess you have to ask yourself is it worth $3200 to defend you against a VT where the max fine is $598...unless there are consequences beyond the fine itself ?
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I could give you several suggestions but then the ones that appeared against me in court had extremely little traffic experience and usually plead their clients out for a reduced fine and walked away with their fees.. I guess you have to ask yourself is it worth $3200 to defend you against a VT where the max fine is $598...unless there are consequences beyond the fine itself.
Yes, theres consequences, 6 months license prohibition. and this cop is on his A game.

this is when I was young and I didnt know better, took everything for granted.
I've learned now But its all too late and this ticket is out to get me.. lol

the math I did was :

Ticket; $800
suspension 6 months (makes it hard to get to school and work)
reinstate my license; $400+

a lawyer fee; $2200 pretty much means I ll be spending an extra grand to dodge the suspension and bad driving record + no reset on my N.

all in all.. this is only IF the lawyer is capable of winning which is why I m looking for the best lawyer..

And I m sooo close to getting my Class 5 too but I cant make it in time as court is in Dec..
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maybe ask if you can pay a bit more on the ticket ? ie. 1000$ or w/e but ask them not to suspend you ? but explain all your reasonings , etc etc. but at the same time think of it as this, if you know your gonna get boned anyways is it worth spending the 2.2k ? by the looks of it thats what it seems, even if you got the BEST lawyer. but this is jsut my opinion, im a noob and dont know much
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maybe ask if you can pay a bit more on the ticket ? ie. 1000$ or w/e but ask them not to suspend you ? but explain all your reasonings , etc etc. but at the same time think of it as this, if you know your gonna get boned anyways is it worth spending the 2.2k ? by the looks of it thats what it seems, even if you got the BEST lawyer. but this is jsut my opinion, im a noob and dont know much
well, I ve attend a hearing once and the judge realized the cop wrote the wrong ticket therefore the hearing was adjourned.

now the lawyer that I spoke with is confident that the judge isnt allowed to change a ticket FOR the cop.

I honestly am not too sure wtfs going on either. I m just here hoping to get a lawyer recommendation.

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the way you talk on this forum always seems like you've never done Anything wrong in your life and your always right.

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[QUOTE=xilley;8085680]well, I ve attend a hearing once and the judge realized the cop wrote the wrong ticket therefore the hearing was adjourned.

now the lawyer that I spoke with is confident that the judge isnt allowed to change a ticket FOR the cop.
I honestly am not too sure wtfs going on either. I m just here hoping to get a lawyer recommendation.



If this is what the lawyer is telling you then I would suggest you keep looking. A VT can be ammended in most cases if it is requested before the actual trial begins and testimony has been given. The issuing member can request a change if it is relatively minor is detail and the JPs always granted any request I made.

BTW...not that I'm entitled to ask...but what kind of single VT got you an $800 fine? Just curious.
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Probably excessive speed +611km/hr and drive w/o due care?
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1st level of Excessive Speed is from 41km/hr-60km/hr over the posted limit and is a $368 fine. 61km/hr + is a $483 fine. Drive Without Due Care is another $368. So I'm guessing something like that, in order to make a $800 ticket.
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Why don't they just have round numbers, like $350, $500, etc.? It's like someone just used a random number generator to come up with the fine amounts.

Or is that done so it comes out at a round number once you add HST?
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1st level of Excessive Speed is from 41km/hr-60km/hr over the posted limit and is a $368 fine. 61km/hr + is a $483 fine. Drive Without Due Care is another $368. So I'm guessing something like that, in order to make a $800 ticket.
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Why don't they just have round numbers, like $350, $500, etc.? It's like someone just used a random number generator to come up with the fine amounts.

Or is that done so it comes out at a round number once you add HST?
The numbers are 'rounded' evenly...it's the 15% victim surcharge levy that ends up with weird totals...eg $345 for excessive lower with surchange becomes $368.
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called accumen and they basically told me its a losing case
then Jon calls back and said we could appeal this crap.

what in the fuck..
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If your argument is about unreasonable delay, 18 months to get to court on its own is not seen as unreasonable delay. Any lawyer saying they're able to appeal without knowing anything about the ticket (ie getting and reviewing disclosure) is itching for your hard-earned cash. I remember one lawyer drawing out traffic court then charter arguments over multiple days and making himself a ton of money, all for a $138 speeding ticket and $109 drive contrary to restrictions.
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If your argument is about unreasonable delay, 18 months to get to court on its own is not seen as unreasonable delay. Any lawyer saying they're able to appeal without knowing anything about the ticket (ie getting and reviewing disclosure) is itching for your hard-earned cash. I remember one lawyer drawing out traffic court then charter arguments over multiple days and making himself a ton of money, all for a $138 speeding ticket and $109 drive contrary to restrictions.
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hes saying because the officer wrote the wrong section on the ticket it should be appealed.

as I was only the driver of the vehicle not the owner. and the officer wrote "owner"

but the judge has already amended the ticket to driver and all the lawyer is saying is that he could argue about it and get me off the case..

even myself dont see any possibility but I m not a lawyer.

this Jon guy seem like hes well educated and all but I ve asked around and no ones heard of him.

even though he got my friend off 2 cases one after another on driving while prohibited I still dont know if hes reliable as he kept telling me to drop off retainer fee before he proceeds with anything with me. seems as if he just wants cash asap but again my first time hiring one and I dont know how the lawyer world works..
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Is "Jon" John Chak?

Tickets can be amended before trial for many things, but things like date, time, location and offender are fatal errors. Amending a charge section is rarely fatal and is sometimes done to benefit a defendant after bargaining with the police officer before court. (eg. Speed changed to Disobey Traffic Control Device)

Some police officers will mark down "Owner" instead of driver, as there are no points associated with tickets served to an owner, as a way of giving a break (if you'd paid without disputing, there would be no points to worry about and likely no suspensions to worry about).
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Is "Jon" John Chak?

Tickets can be amended before trial for many things, but things like date, time, location and offender are fatal errors. Amending a charge section is rarely fatal and is sometimes done to benefit a defendant after bargaining with the police officer before court. (eg. Speed changed to Disobey Traffic Control Device)

Some police officers will mark down "Owner" instead of driver, as there are no points associated with tickets served to an owner, as a way of giving a break (if you'd paid without disputing, there would be no points to worry about and likely no suspensions to worry about).
If the Owner section would not get me a suspension then I just fucking owned myself by disputing it.

honestly its so effin stressful, I need my license to secure my job.
without it I can go fuck myself.

but atm I think i m bond to get fucked.

and Jon is Jon waddington.
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anyone know a Nortary that could swear an affidavit?

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