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Intel kills off the desktop, PCs go with it

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/i...cs-go-with-it/
"CPU's soldered onto motherboards"

Not sure how to quote entire article, but if someone could that would be great!

As of now, Intel already has the greater share of the enthusiast market, but I guess it isn't making enough money for it to stay. I personally don't like the idea of this, and hope AMD will continue to stay in the enthusiast market.

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Intel is killing the desktop, but not quite as soon as people expect it to, there will be one last gasp, but that is irrelevant. Word is finally leaking there won’t be a desktop PC chip in a bit over a year.

In a story that SemiAccurate has been following for several months, Broadwell will not come in an LGA package, so no removable CPU. The news was first publicly broken by the ever sharp PC Watch, english version here, but the news has been floating in the backchannel for a bit now. The problem? This information wasn’t floating around the OEMs or the majority of the PC ecosystem, they had no clue. What does all of this mean? Quite a bit.

The most direct effect is that of Broadwell, the 14nm successor to next year’s Haswell CPU, will essentially shut out the enthusiast. Motherboards will still be available, but the CPUs that come with them will be soldered down. In addition to being a inventory management nightmare, OEMs won’t buy CPUs any more, the few remaining mobo vendors and ODMs will. As a side effect, it also cuts the enthusiast out of the picture for good, but more on that later.

Normally, you would expect Intel to tell the companies that are affected, the Asuses, Gigabytes, MSIs, and maybe Asrocks if they are still around, well ahead of time. This time Intel didn’t, and that should tell you a great deal about their intentions. At least a few key PC players found out from SemiAccurate a few months ago, and they were rather incredulous about the news. This state of mind has probably changed to a state a bit past peeved by now, their entire business is about to be gutted. Intel didn’t just do a bad job of messaging this one, they didn’t do any job of it.

Will Intel cut out the mobo makers entirely and just do everything themselves? Grabbing more of the pie seems to be their forte of late, but cutting out everyone but the physical assembly guys seems to be a bit of a stretch in the short term. SemiAccurate suspects that this decision has not been made, but expect Intel to gut the mobo makers influence one way or the other, they are currently seen by Santa Clara as having too much power. This is not going to be pretty no matter how it ends up.
That brings us to the next issue at hand, enthusiasts. They are pretty much dead, not that Intel seems to care. Since they nearly destroyed that nascent market with Nehalem, and have since progressively removed any features the enthusiast cares about while jacking the cost to buy them back to untenable levels, enthusiasts have become an endangered species. Unfortunately Intel doesn’t care about the enthusiast, and unsurprisingly they have moved on. ARM chips are now the focus for that crowd, and they are taking the mainstream geeks with them. Broadwell will end it for good, but….

SemiAccurate has been chasing the last bit of this story for several weeks, there is a very good chance that Broadwell’s successor, Sky Lake, will bring back a socketed CPU. Unfortunately it will only be for a generation, possibly two, nothing permanent. By then, the last remaining overclockers and experimenters on the PC front will be gone, and for good technical reasons. Increasing integration will make this minor backpedalling step a rather moot point, there won’t be anything left to tweak, and any headroom will have been screened out at the fab prior to fuses being blown. Worse yet, margin requirements will effectively make it not worth extreme cost. Haswell is the end of the line, if Sky Lake does backpedal a bit, it will be a form factor change only, not a philosophical one.

And so the PC ends with a whimper, not a bang. Broadwell will be available in a ‘desktop’ variant as well as a laptop version, but neither will be socketed. There are a lot of good technical reasons to release it only as an embedded and mobile CPU, but not for anyone other than Intel. They want more of the PC ecosystem, and are taking it. Enthusiasts have been written off, and the rest of the ecosystem is being preemptively kneecapped in case they try to step out of line. The desktop is dead, and with it, PCs become irrelevant, mobile or not.S|A

noooooooooooooo
lets hope AMD steps up . :thumbs:

I smell an anti-trust lawsuit coming if Intel follows through with this.

as long as we can continue to upgrade video card, memory, storage and doesn't affect the way we can mount coolers then it's all gravy.

honestly when one needs to update their CPU...their mobo's socket is already out of date nayways

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8092518)

exactly........................................... ..............

This rumor is still going? :rukidding:

My take on it is that the original article was only referring to Intel channel products, and laptops... Something like the Nuk they just released. I am not worried too much about Intel abandoning motherboards completely just yet.

If they do, let's hope AMD is still around

This happening is very unlikely. Motherboards are not a very important aspect of your PC in the first place and make little difference unless you are overclocking and other stuff like that. However, if Intel does go this way they will lose a lot of customers to AMD who will still want to select their Mobo and CPU separately and not as a package. This would be a bad move for them. AMD will see a huge opening for themselves if this does happen. Intel could easily just have both and not lose a portion of the market and it is what I believe will happen.

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8092518)

What happens when the mobo or cpu dies?

From Intel's point of view, I do agree on sockets getting out-dated quickly. However, if you look at AMD their socket is backward compatible, and is capable of running the Piledriver.

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Originally Posted by yhmama (Post 8092751)

Motherboards are not a very important aspect of your PC in the first place and make little difference unless you are overclocking and other stuff like that.

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Simply put, people like options...

Building a PC is like "LEGO for adults", and if we get one less LEGO brick to play with...
:okay:

I used to be a PC guy...PC for porn, PC for games, PC for photo/video editting, PC for everything, but now you get a lot of good options. Can't foresee the PC enthusaists will continue the spending. I was planning to get the 3770k, end up keeping the C2D for word processing.

Gaming, consoles nowaday have pretty good graphic and controls.
Web surfing, a tab or cellphone offers similar experience
Porn, NAS would be a good choice for mobile fapping

word processing, video/photo editting I would choose PC, but it is going to tablet's direction.

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Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 8092877)

Porn, NAS would be a good choice for mobile fapping

:suspicious::heckno:

Nah, not me.
I can't forsee myself ever making the switch to console until I have kids and buy a Nintendo for them so we can enjoy "family video game night" together.

And I'll probably still have my real gaming machine in the den.

Last console I've owned was a PS1, and I'm too used to having the convenience of doing pretty much everything on a PC. and it only gets better with dual (or more) monitors. I don't even use my tv any more. don't remember the last time I even turned it on.

There's no RTS on console (which is a good thing because Starcraft 64 was an absolute failure) and FPS with an analog stick is ridiculous.
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Retailers must be happy. Don't have to stock 5+ flavors of motherboards from each manufacturer for every cpu socket there is.

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Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 8092877)

yeah desktop is gonna be extinct for the consumer side in the next decade or two..currently it's already pretty niche
no one I know owns a new PC unless they do video editing/play games

for non techie consumers POV.. they just want something that works good without the hassle of know whats the difference between this motherboard or if its compatible with this cpu..

For the last five years, I have thought that Intel has way to many different sockets. I attributed this to Intel wanting their motherboards to go obsolete quickly so they can sell more chipsets. By soldering the CPU to the MB they can accomplish this even easier. Any CPU change will guarantee another MB sale.

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Originally Posted by John (Post 8093508)

That being said... the last 3 computers I owned, I bought in 2002, 2006, 2012.
So not really a big deal to me, since I only do big upgrades, and every time I get a new computer/upgrade,
every major component needs to be replaced to not have my system bottlenecked.

But for those that do small upgrades every few years, I can understand.

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8093014)

yeah desktop is gonna be extinct for the consumer side in the next decade or two..currently it's already pretty niche
no one I know owns a new PC unless they do video editing/play games

Not sure but my parents still uses a desktop. Also for pro gamers they will want a desktop to get the best fps out. I myself just switch to a laptop about a month ago. So far so good. The only thing I miss is that I can't leave my laptop on overnight to download movies, TV shows so it takes forever to download something now instead of leaving my desktop on overnight and the downloads will be done in the morning.

This....isn't a rumor, Intel fully intends to make this happen, however, the chances of this actually happening is very slim. The only thing stopping them from doing this are the partners. (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Biostar, ETC)

That's pretty much all I can say.

wait until ARM can catch up Intel.

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8093014)

yeah desktop is gonna be extinct for the consumer side in the next decade or two..currently it's already pretty niche
no one I know owns a new PC unless they do video editing/play games

I wouldn't doubt that, but only until they have the technology to literally cram a desktop into a machine the size of a laptop.

But that still wouldn't explain the future accepting 17" screens (especially when big monitors are the latest trend) and miniature size keyboards.

The only people I know who use laptops are people who don't really use computers much in the first place. Maybe just to surf the net for 30 mins a day or do some homework. (I'm excluding people who have laptops for business and are always on the go)