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Originally Posted by Liquid_o2 (Post 8099079)

Read the book, it's worth your time. It was so engrossing I read it in two days this summer.

http://www.penguin.ca/static/covers/...670023325H.jpg

Read this while I was in Korea earlier in the year - it is remarkable.

I won't indulge certain individuals who seem to cater more to the tin-foil hat crowd, but for the rest of you, do try and find a copy to read.

The stories of what happen in these camps are chilling to say the least.

I don't doubt for a second on how horriffic camp 14 and the experience this person and others have/had been treated,but I'm pretty sure the jews during WW2 in the nazi camps were treated much worse than the people in camp 14.

^Not really sure how that's relevant at all.

"Hey neighbour, I'm sorry about the fire you had, but I'm pretty sure the fire down the street last year was much worse."

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Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 8099136)

^Not really sure how that's relevant at all.

"Hey neighbour, I'm sorry about the fire you had, but I'm pretty sure the fire down the street last year was much worse."

That is a terrible analogy. Obviously, a fire can be much worse in one place than it is in another. In the same way one type of prison camp could be worse than another.

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Originally Posted by mx703 (Post 8099174)

That is a terrible analogy. Obviously, a fire can be much worse in one place than it is in another. In the same way one type of prison camp could be worse than another.

It is not a terrible analogy, because to a victim of any kind, a comparison to another incident (which could have been worse, yes), is taunting and disrespectful.

Also considering the sheer level of inhumanity that occurs at these camps, comparing one to another in itself seems infantile. I still don't know why he made that comparison. Is he saying watching your mother and brother shot in front of the whole camp is slightly better than watching your mother, father, brother and sister getting shot in front of the whole camp? :suspicious:

Taken from Wikipedia, which summarized some of the events that happened to the escapee in original post.

He was born inside the camp because his entire family - 3 generations - were imprisoned, because 2 of his uncles defected to the south during the war.

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Many prisoners of the camp were born there under North Korea's "three generations of punishment". This means anyone found guilty of committing a crime, which could be as simple as trying to escape North Korea, would be sent to the camp along with that person's entire family. The subsequent two generations of family members would be born in the camp and must also live and die their entire lives there. As reported by witnesses the prisoners have to do, from 5:30 in the morning until midnight, very hard and dangerous work in mines and other workplaces.[7] Even 11 year old children have to work after school and may see their parents rarely.[8] People are forced to work like slaves and are tortured in case of minor offences. The punishment for violating camp rules is death.[9] Food rations are very small consisting of salted cabbage and corn, so that the prisoners are very skinny and weak. Many of them die of undernourishment, illness, work accidents and the aftereffects of torture. Many prisoners resort to eating rats, snakes, insects and frogs in order to survive.[1] Rat flesh is eaten as a way to prevent pellagra, a common disease in the camp which is a result of absence of protein and niacin in the diet. In order to anything outside of their meal, including these animals, prisoners must first get permission from the guards.[1]

Shin Dong-hyuk gave testimony of human rights abuses inflicted on him or witnessed by him as prisoner in Kaechon camp:[1]

When his mother and brother attempted to escape, Shin was thrown into a small underground cell, where it is impossible to either stand or lie down, and was kept there and tortured for eight months.[10]
Shin described how, at the age of 14, he was completely stripped, his legs cuffed and hands tied, and suspended from the ceiling of his cell. His torturers then lit up a charcoal fire under his back and forced a hook into his skin so that he could not struggle.[11] He still has a number of large scars from the flesh burned and from many other abuses.[12]
Later Shin was forced to watch the execution of his mother Chang Hye-kyong by hanging and his brother Shin Ha-kun by firing squad.[13][14]
When Shin worked in the garment factory and accidentally dropped a sewing machine, the foreman hacked off his middle finger just above the first knuckle as punishment.[15]
Shin witnessed dozens of public executions each year.[1] Another prisoner Kim Yong witnessed around 25 executions in his section of the camp within less than two years.[16]
Shin saw a six year old girl in his school being beaten to death for stealing 5 grains of corn.[1]
When Shin was 12 years old, he was separated from his mother and rarely allowed to see her. Instead of attending school, the children had to do all kinds of physical work including weeding, harvesting, carrying dung.[10]
Between the ages of 13 and 16, Shin was forced to do dangerous construction work and saw many children killed in work. Sometimes, four to five children were killed in a day. On one occasion, he saw eight people killed by an accident.[10]
Shin’s cousin was raped by prison guards and died later and when his cousin’s mother wailed, she disappeared and was never seen again.[17]
Shin saw how twelve fellow prisoners were given toxic water for washing by the guards and got seriously ill within a week and then disappeared.[17]
When Shin escaped through the high-voltage electric fence surrounding the camp, his friend Park Yong-chul got electrocuted.[1]

Just posting this here since we're talking about the Korean War.

I watch a lot of Asian war films, and Taegukgi by far is my favourite Korean War film.

Another film to watch would be My Way, although that one is WW2. Stars Jang Dong Gun from Taegukgi + Joe Odagiri.

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Originally Posted by Gridlock (Post 8099091)

Charlie....if you didn't know that China was involved in the Korean War, maybe you should keep the "zionist forces" bullshit to a minimum. You are obviously not informed on the subject enough to even talk!

Large powers have always used small powers to do their bidding for them. For every gov't the US propped up to suit their interests, I can show you a Castro, which would have been a skidmark in the pages of history had it not been for his Russian friends.

So why don't you stop for a second, and instead of trying to be a dick, listem to what a guy, while not being an expert on the subject, has been there, has eaten the Kim Chee and has talked to people and try to learn?

Im informed enough to know that the Chinese never terror bombed civilians like the Zionist did and that this was just another Zionist expansionist war. You're just another brainwashed westerner that blindly supports genocide to defeat what ever boogieman commies or Muslims that seek to be free.
Why the hell are all these countries from around the globe, globe trotting to defeat Korea when their people havent attacked anyone...
http://www.kwmf.kr/img/kwmf_intro_country.gif
because they're all puppet states with disposable soldier to greater a one world government.

^My God, even for comedic relief this guy is too much.

Incredible title though, I must say lol

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Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 8099191)

^My God, even for comedic relief this guy is too much.

Incredible title though, I must say lol

It is sad. Is there a way to filter out his posts? I already know what all of them say... "Evil west, Zionist bad..." Just the same thing over and over
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Great maybe you can inform us as to why 4.5 million Koreans had to die?

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Originally Posted by MeowMeow (Post 8098893)

^ i just watched the clip

Im quite skepical because the guy in the video doesnt have the typical North Korean accent
nor uses the terminologies/dictions North Koreans use.
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hes been in the south for over 7 years.. he conditioned himself into the south culture

i want this book:

Only Beautiful, Please | Brookings Institution

the author is the former british embassador to north korea.

pretty interesting.

Man, I have no idea what all this Zionist talk is all about but from what I gather he means Americans?

To me, it doesn't really matter which side is right or wrong because there is no clear right and wrong anymore. All I know is that in places that aren't..."Zionist" or whatever like North Korea apparently...life there sucks ass. We're always hearing about how people are starving or in prison and such.

In America, they have Nintendo and football and cats haz-ing cheezeburgers. They have to wear state issued clothing in North Korea. They have Kate Upton in America.

I don't know if all your Zionist talk is true or not (...actually, I'm pretty sure it's bullshit) but even if it was...whatever. Send me back to the Matrix. I just want to have fun while I'm here and clearly the Zionists know how to party.

I don't understand how anyone sides with North Korea. :lol

everytime i hear arash-in-charge mention zionist i can't help but think of bob marley's song :okay:

oh well time to meme it up! :fullofwin:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...0/26940974.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ronin (Post 8099288)

In America,

America was built on the back of black slaves and the genocide of the native population... the western world only has a greater standard of living because it has subjugated most of the world in one way or the other, killing on mass and stealing its resources... but why worry about all that, its not like we're ever going to be used as tools, right? :badpokerface:

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I see why the Filipinos were fighting against the Koreans... as see in the middle picture.. . it's because America brought them democracy in a way they couldnt deny.
http://www.addictedtowar.com/book/ad...ew12_small.jpg

Whatever. Shit happened. Everyone has been a dick to each other at some point. That's just how humanity works.

The white man just got to being dicks first. If they didn't, someone else would've.

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Originally Posted by sulos (Post 8099200)

It is sad. Is there a way to filter out his posts? I already know what all of them say... "Evil west, Zionist bad..." Just the same thing over and over
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You can go to his profile and add him to your ignore list, or you can click this link, and it does the same thing:
http://www.revscene.net/forums/profi...ignore&u=65563

ahh... peace.

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Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge (Post 8099305)

Do you hear yourself when you're typing all that out, Arash?

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Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge (Post 8099205)

Great maybe you can inform us as to why 4.5 million Koreans had to die?

First, only 3 million Korean soldiers and civilians died, your figures includes UN, China and Soviet deaths which is the total death for the entire war. And what North Korea is doing right now is genocide. Killing the people of a country through intervention of it's government.

How the Korean War happened:

-Soviets declare war on Japan on 9 August 1945 after defeat in the Pacific by the US
-Fight for Japanese puppet state Manchukuo between Japan and Soviets for Communist supremacy in Mongolia--Soviet-Japanese War
-Soviets win
-Chinese Civil War starts back up again
-Nationalists (Nationalist Party and NRA) with some US support vs Communists (PLA) backed by North Korean support
-Communists win China
-Mao and PLA now help Stalin and Kim Il-sung fight for Communist supremacy in Korea
-Soviets stop at 38th parallel as agreed to with the US
-Kim Il-sung meets Stalin in Moscow to secure a policy to unify Korea under Communist control
-Stalin resists being part of invasion of South Korea and tells Kim Il-sung to get Chinese support from Mao
-North Korea invades South after failed election of the whole Korea and saying that South Korean forces crossed the 38th parallel first
-War happens and UN intervention happens 2 days later with mostly US troops backing South Korean forces

Basically a long continuation of proxy wars between Nationalism and Communism. Neither government can decide if Korea is united how it should be run. Although China was in the UN, the PRC/PLA was not recognized as a member because the ROC was still recognized as the sole legitimate representative of China. The UN therefore does not back up PRC and the PRC takes sides with North Korea. Both Korea's and the PRC are now in the UN along with 193 other countries out of a total of 196.

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Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge (Post 8099305)

EVERY nation was built on the back of slaves and the genocide of the indigenous people.

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Originally Posted by spyker (Post 8099132)

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/31360123.jpg