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I emailed one of the police departments here and asked why they weren't using Hybrids.
Answer: They're loaded with batteries and would struggle to handle the additional weight of all the emergency and communications equipment. They are also slow and handle poorly.
Why our departments don't use small diesels I'll never know. They work out perfectly fine in Europe. If you need a bigger car to transport bigger criminals, then call for a transport unit. Routine patrols don't need to be conducted using Crown Vics and Dodge Chargers.
I don't know why they're complaining about hybrid's performance..
You hardly need a fast car to get through city traffic in a timely fashion. Lights and sirens are far more useful than a big engine. Besides, half the family sedans on the market (and likely my family wagon) would out accelerate, out brake and out run a P71. You don't need a race car for a PC in town.
Again, European police are getting by just fine on eco-boxes for general patrol. As for calling for a transport unit, the bike cops do this all the time so it isn't a foreign concept.
One thing we can all agree on is black and white Dodge Chargers do indeed look much more menacing than a Jetta TDI, and in that business scaring the crap outta would-be perps is half the fun
I worked rural HP so city traffcic is only a concern when trying to get thru one. I have Brit Cops as friends and their opinion on low-powered eco-cars does not match yours. Mention a nice Vauxhall Astra and you'll be having a truncheon surgically removed later. As far as the Chargers go....whaddaya mean 1/2 the fun? All the fun. Bad boys, bad boys.........
Why our departments don't use small diesels I'll never know. They work out perfectly fine in Europe.
The constant comparisons to Europe when it comes to things like roads and bikes and transit and just transportation in general, really need to go away already. They're not valid. Europe has nearly the same landmass as Canada, with nearly 22 times the population. Everything is closer together; roads are generally narrower; and diesel vehicles and pumps are far more prevalent.
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You hardly need a fast car to get through city traffic in a timely fashion.
You realize that the vast majority of BC is not cities, right?
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Again, European police are getting by just fine on eco-boxes for general patrol.
And again, Europe is not a valid comparison.
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Now load the Camry down with all the police gear, including all the electronics (lights, sirens, radios, etc.) that are going to put an extra load on those batteries. Bet the comparison tilts the other way.
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Where did I say I think the police should be in hybrids?
You implied as much with this: "I emailed one of the police departments here and asked why they weren't using Hybrids."
Why would you even bother asking if you thought it was such a bad idea? "Yeah, hybrids are terrible, so I think I'll find out why the cops don't use them."
Meantime, don't forget that there are benefits in limiting the bulk of your fleet to two or three types of vehicles: the manufacturer or dealership gives fleet lease rates, and when you have to have a bunch of customized equipment (fixtures in particular) it saves a lot when you can buy a whole bunch of pieces of one design, rather than a dozen here and a dozen there of different designs for different vehicles. So it makes fiscal sense to select only two or three good "all-around" vehicles that can fulfill a wide variety of roles for your entire force, rather than breaking it up by having a bunch of different vehicles for the burbs, the highways, the boonies, the downtowns, etc. etc. etc.
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When I asked, it was several years ago when all the taxis were switching from Crown Vics to Camrys and Priuses (Prii?) and it was merely out of curiosity than a recommendation.
Once again, you read my post the way you wanted to and not the way it was intended to be read. Good job.
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To be perfectly honest, I'd rather pay a few dollars more a year for the cops to have Chargers or equivlant, And if i needed them they have a car that can get there in a timely fashion...
That would work right up until the first time a cop has to stuff a perp in the back... then you'd hear all the cries of police brutality, cruel and unusual punishment, etc. etc.
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I don't see why they are even using marked cars for traffic anymore, it's like going out to hunt deer, and wearing a bright orange jacket, running at the deer and yelling at the top of your lungs.
That basically applies to Crown Vics in general, they need to start getting original, otherwise all they are doing is spooking people that they could stalk and bust. People will start to worry about being caught if they don't know what the cops are even following them in. This mindset that seeing a marked car will stop somebody from speeding a mile further down the road is total bullshit.
^ I thought deer were colour blind to the anti-camo orange that hunters wear??
The chargers are crap as a police vehicle, too much maintenance cost... Some departments are buying them as there was a lack of options for awhile when the Crown Vic's were about to be axed from the production line.
Backseats: already too small in the Crown Vic's for anybody larger or taller than average... most bigger guys have to sit sideways.
The new Ford interceptor is where it's at... well, the AWD ones and not the FWD version. Higher initial purchase cost yes, but it hits the nail on the head for a standard use police vehicle for GD/patrol. Likely less PC MVI's (and repair costs) with the AWD system too.
I don't see why they are even using marked cars for traffic anymore, it's like going out to hunt deer, and wearing a bright orange jacket, running at the deer and yelling at the top of your lungs.
That basically applies to Crown Vics in general, they need to start getting original, otherwise all they are doing is spooking people that they could stalk and bust. People will start to worry about being caught if they don't know what the cops are even following them in. This mindset that seeing a marked car will stop somebody from speeding a mile further down the road is total bullshit.
It's a game of cat and mouse, and stealth is key.
I think the point is to scare most people and keeping them in check not catching everyone of them because you can't. My guess. Posted via RS Mobile
I'm surprised they went with these actually. I wanted to test drive an IS once, couldn't fit in the driver's seat. I'd hate to be a cop squished in there all day.
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These are the same Brit Coppers who used to use Police Mini Coopers and Jag sedans as motorway pursuit cars back in the 1960s when there was no speed limit on the M1, M2 etc.
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