My favourite actual attempted defence of a stop sign ticket in Duncan Traffic Court....the Cop couldn't have seen me run that sign. I went over to where I think he was parked and I don't believe he could see me run the sign, therefore I'm not guilty. No prize for guessing the outcome |
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secondly i AM telling you going with the flow of traffic, specifically on freeways, IS safer then doing what is sometimes 20-30km/hour slower then everyone around you. and yes even if that means speeding. but hey, it's just my opinion |
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Going over the speed limit is never justified, and the "flow of traffic" "law" is really bullshit. It's a method used by civilians to go faster because they know that cops don't want to write a thousand tickets for 20 over. The paperwork for such a large scale crackdown would swamp the police force, which in turn would decrease the resources available to deal with other non traffic cases. It's not efficient with today's case filing, and cops simply don't give a shit for something as petty and worthless as a ticket for 20 over (resource wise). But again, that does not change the fact that the actual law still applies, regardless of whatever playground rules civilians apply to the road. |
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Speaking of that. Actually that excuse actually worked on a friend of a classmate of mine a few years ago who mentioned this. It was close to midnight, motorcycle was going obviously over the limit and an officer hiding pulled him over. Officer asked him, why you were going so fast? His response was "going with the flow of traffic". The funny thing is that there was no traffic on the road except him. The officer simply let him go and ask him to ride safely. |
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Do you pick the red pill or the blue pill? |
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A collision is a collision no matter who is at fault. You don't want to be in one and it's your responsibility to drive in a manner that is safe for the road and traffic conditions at that time and place. |
im currently in the same situation and just trying to seek definitive answers if you guys dont mind chiming in. I was caught "speeding" aswell but the officer did not have a radar gun to prove i was and got a ticket for 75 in a 50 zone although i was not driving that fast and going speed of traffic. Tried to plead my case but officer walked away without me even signing the ticket, and abruptly asked for his pen back. Can i dispute this ticket? Thanks for the feedback in advance! |
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You don't have to sign it, the VT is valid, Cops do not hold roadside Traffic Court...that happens in a courtroom with a JP. You may dispute it....don't know if you "can". Maybe ask yourself "should" instead? |
If a driver nabbed for an infraction has a dash camera, is the equipment necessary for playing back the video files readily available in the courtrooms or does it have to be arranged in advance? |
Best to call ahead to ensure the equipment is available. Posted via RS Mobile |
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It is NOT safer to speed, no matter how much you want to justify your civilian law. It is your responsibility not to crash into someone for obeying the law, and it is their responsibility to move over when someone like you storms along the left lane. The "flow of traffic" is not that much faster than the limit, but it is still over the limit. That brings in to question your ability to drive safely, if you cannot slow your vehicle by ten kilometres per hour when you see a slower moving vehicle in your path, I do not believe that you are fit to drive on our roads. This isn't some fantasy world where we choose the rules of the road, driving is not a right, and you either create an arguement that follows the true law, or you forfeit. I am only preaching what is written as law, your arguements are in relation to the breach of such laws, which make them worthless in the eyes of any official governing body. What you might find ironic or hypocritical, is that I follow the flow of traffic. The difference is, I do not attempt to justify it as "safe" or "lawful", such an arguement is false. |
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http://www.ite.org/standards/speed_zoning.pdf The more a driver deviates from the mean speed of traffic at that time and place, the higher the risk of a crash. Simple as that. If everyone was driving along at the posted limit of 50kph and you were doing 40kph, would you feel safer than if you were going with the flow of 50kph? |
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Are the stats you read with respect to speed and highways even from BC, let alone Canada? Because I don't remember seeing, hearing, or reading, about an incident where buddy was a victim of an MVI because he was going too slow.. People will always speed, no matter what the limit is, it is human nature. So whatever the limit is set at, people abiding by the law will always be "holding back traffic" which is bullshit. I've said it 10000 times before, especially replying to your posts, at the end of the day, I'm not the one getting tickets. I also could care less if I am the one going the speed limit, and having some irate driver trying to weave in and out of traffic because others on the road are abiding by the law. |
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-No, going faster in anything increases the risk of injury. Is speeding legal? -No, speeding is illegal in all situations. Do I keep up with traffic? -Yes I keep up with the flow of traffic on main roads during medium to heavy traffic. When I'm alone or with a small pack of cars, I generally stay at the limit +/- 5kph. The maximum I'm willing to speed in order to keep up with traffic is 10kph, otherwise I'll brave the tidal wave of cars in the right lane. I keep up so that I don't get ticketed for going too slow. Take what you want from that, I don't intend for my answers to come off as an excuse, because I don't excuse myself. In the eyes of the law, my reasoning is completely void, and I accept that. You wanted to know why I do it, so there you go. |
I defend it because it's statistically safer to travel with the flow of traffic and I don't want to be a target for Johnny Law for doing what is safer. Going faster increases the risk of injury in the event of a collision, I give you that. Going with the flow decreases the risk of collision in the first place. If you feel safer driving more slowly than everyone else, would you drive at 40kph in a 50kph zone if everyone was driving 50kph? No, it's stupid. Increase everyone's speed by 10kph so that they're doing 60kph and you're doing 50kph. It's still stupid. You still haven't explained why you keep up with the flow of traffic despite being adamant that it's illegal and dangerous. |
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The mass majority of accidents are caused by human/driver error. You put speed to the equation of human error, and it increases the likelihood of damage which could have been reduced if speed wasn't a factor. Try to explain to the pedestrians that are all over the streets of Vancouver that the speed limit will be raised to 70km/h because it's statistically safer. Could you imagine walking or waiting at a crosswalk where cars are travelling 70km/h just a few ft around you? Cars running through red lights at 70km/h..... I really don't see how, even if you "stats" support it, how your common sense doesn't tell you that the reason why speed limits are set the way they are is to save potential lives. In the end of the day I truly believe the following - going the speed limit allows me more time to react - going the speed limit reduces the amount of injury/damage in a collision You say increasing speed reduces accidents.. well let's see. This may be true simply because the idiots who are always in a rush/ have no patience on the road, get their way, and as a result are not weaving in and out of traffic, putting others lives at risk. Do you not think, even if overall numbers of accidents are reduced by upping the speed limits, if / when accidents did occur with the higher speed limit, there would be a greater chance of fatality? I would rather have 2x the amount of MINOR MVI's vs. less MVI's with more fatalities. Lastly, going with the "flow" of traffic is different in every case. Sometimes the flow of traffic is 60 in a 50, and other times it is 70 in 50. I admit I will go 60 in a 50 most of the time, but I won't go over that just because everyone else is. |
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Going too slow or too fast makes you a target for police, to the police it's rather obvious when there are a sea of cars passing you. I attempt to blend in, but I have an upper limit, no more than 10kph over in traffic for me. I realize how much of a hypocrite I sound like, but it's equally as ridiculous that the police can pull you over for doing nothing wrong. |
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