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03-12-2013, 01:47 PM
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Hey guys,
How would one get involved with educational track racing?
I don't mean serious track racing, but just a hobby.
I'm just not a fan of autocross.
Thanks.
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03-12-2013, 02:05 PM
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Check out Morrisport.com // Advanced Driving for Mission Raceways or Turn2 Lapping inc. - Home for Pacific Raceways and The Ridge in Washington state.
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03-12-2013, 02:38 PM
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#3 | | I STILL don't get it
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The Sports Car Club of BC offers a race driver training program. Completed the program last July and they teach you everything from heel-toe to vision to passing to flags to etiquette etc etc. One day classroom, two day track. We probably did about a 100 laps, and at $450 it is a bargain. The instructors sit with you until they feel you are ready which is a good thing.
Probably one of the best in the northwest if you ask me. And upon successful completion you can apply for your CACC novice license if you intend to compete in road racing. Driver Training | SCCBC.net
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03-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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#4 | | I'll never be Diggy, no matter how hard I try
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N8; do they still do the simulated race on Sunday?
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03-12-2013, 03:04 PM
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Not sure if they're still active, but I went with PDC: Home | Performance Drivers Club
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03-12-2013, 09:49 PM
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#7 | | F**K YOUR HEAD
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Originally Posted by freakshow  | I did a track day with them in summer of 2012
Track days aren't racing though, not sure if OP knows the difference.
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03-12-2013, 10:30 PM
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#8 | | Everyone wants a piece of R S...
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...it's like $280. are there any tracks that are $100 drop in for a few laps, with minor safety issues such as only needing a helmet?
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03-12-2013, 10:40 PM
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#9 | | F**K YOUR HEAD
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Originally Posted by mac25 ...it's like $280. are there any tracks that are $100 drop in for a few laps, with minor safety issues such as only needing a helmet? | Proformance down in WA offers something like this sometimes MotorsportReg.com : ProFormance Racing School announces Power Lunch Lapping Hour Thursday, Mar 21 — Friday, Mar 22, 2013 info at Pacific Raceways, Kent, WA 98042 (0863)
Their full day event is $245 but is a lot more track time
You'd probably still have to get your car tech'd and as it says you need to attend a quick meeting.
You'd need some track day experience to do that kind of event too.
I'm not aware of this kind of event at mission though
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03-12-2013, 10:56 PM
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ya mission as far as i know is all drag. but their site states they have a course but on the section of their website it only lists drag cars for race types.
the one up in north van is a course but they don't seem to have street legal cars, just dedicated race cars.
my buddy had a drift day with a few friends in 240s at Agassiz. but i think that was a special event.
i really want to do time attacks on touge courses with winding switchbacks and straights with elevations change. or light auto x with slight mud/snow/ice/gravel/wet pavement.
problem is i have a car that i don't want to damage in a stock race with multiple cars and don't have enough power to drag, which i'm not really into. she handles like a dream though that's why i like the personal time attack tracks or getting some friends together for a friendly race, where damage would be less likely.
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03-13-2013, 12:54 AM
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There are several choices for road course tracks within a 6 hour drive of vancouver.
-Mission, BC (Mission Raceway Roadcourse)
-Seattle, WA (Pacific Raceways, aka SIR)
-Shelton, WA (The Ridge)
-Portland, OR (Portland Raceways, aka PIR)
-Grass Valley, OR (Oregon Raceway Park, aka ORP)
There are several different car clubs that do DEs (track days) at all these tracks.
-UBC Sports Car Club (ubcscc.com)
-BMW Club
-Alfa Club
-Porsche Club
-Mustang Club
-PDC
-Morris Sport
-Proformance
-Weissach
-etc etc
They don't care what car you drive, as long as your car is track worthy (not leaking, loose suspension, etc etc) Some of the clubs may require membership, like UBC, but it's very cheap. Porsche club and BMW will take non members in non Porsche/BMW just to fill spots.
MOST DE's or TrackDays will have the groups split into experience, so if you are a first-timer, you will run with the novice group until you have proven your skill and experience and you will move up accordingly. If you can, go to a day where they have instructors to ride with you. There are clubs and groups that do "lapping days" with less structure, and more track time, and usually no instructors. I DO NOT recommend these sorts of track days for novice drivers. You NEED to have someone show you the right lines and coach you, otherwise you are ASKING for an accident. Even the BEST drivers take coaches along to always improve. The scariest drivers are always the ones who think they don't need a coach.
Explore those clubs I posted above, go to their websites, and check it out. Have fun!
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03-13-2013, 01:01 AM
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Note: DE's/Track Days/Lapping days are NON COMPETITIVE EVENTS. They are DRIVER TRAINING DAYS.
Using Lap Timers and Data Loggers during your session are highly discouraged by most car clubs, because it VOIDS the insurance policies in place. Some private car clubs, like some of the ones I run with, don't run under the same insurance policies, so we can do what we want, but we are also much more advanced drivers, and it's an invite only system.
If you want to actually RACE wheel-to-wheel, you have to get a racing licence with CACC/FIA/SCCA/NASA etc and have a RACE CAR with a FULL roll CAGE built in and all the various safety equipment. You can't do wheel-to-wheel racing anywhere with your bone stock daily driver car with no cage/harness/window net, fire system, etc.
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03-13-2013, 07:15 AM
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#13 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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this is your best bet: http://www.morrisport.com/trackdays.html
probably the cheapest in lower mainland as well, no membership required. as others have said, track days are not wheel to wheel racing. they are "high performance driving events". they're more about learning to drive your car faster. having said that, it is definitely lots of fun and it is probably what you're looking for. as it is your first time doing a track day, you'll have to run the "FIRST TIMERS" event with the Inside Line track day. still lots of fun, you'll get good instructions, and get to drive your car fast.
people driving the first timers event can't pass other cars. but most of the time you're spread out far enough that you'll have the road to yourself.
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03-13-2013, 08:04 AM
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OP: come out to the March 30th event at Mission Raceway with Morrisport. They offer a First Timer group which involves a quick classroom theory session then 3 or 4 sessions with an instructor. It's a ton of fun and the instructors are great. Not a bad way to spend a Saturday.
You can even just come out and watch for free to see what it's like. Watch a couple sessions, talk to some instructors and participants and get a feel for it. Most people that try it get hooked right away.
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03-13-2013, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mac25 ...it's like $280. are there any tracks that are $100 drop in for a few laps, with minor safety issues such as only needing a helmet? | You're describing auto-x
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03-13-2013, 10:56 AM
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#16 | | I STILL don't get it
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Originally Posted by slowguy N8; do they still do the simulated race on Sunday? | Yes they do.. it's more of a 'mock race start', because by the end of Sunday everyone is pretty much lapping on their own before then.
Only point to pass was allowed, as usual. Remember to review your flags because they like to test everyone randomly!
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03-13-2013, 12:24 PM
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#17 | | I'll never be Diggy, no matter how hard I try
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I like the meatball flag. i had that in my old car. LOL.. ended my day early.
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03-13-2013, 01:14 PM
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#18 | | Everyone wants a piece of R S...
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thank you guys =D, you mentioned insurance Rich, what does this cover? i thought all insurance was void while tracking. does this cover the team against law suits from injury or does this cover the cars if one spins out and hits a wall?
if i was to come out with the morrisport group what is needed?
drivers licence
insurance
helmet
stable car ie suspension and brakes?
helmet
more?
are aftermarket coilovers ok?
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03-13-2013, 01:21 PM
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#19 | | I'll never be Diggy, no matter how hard I try
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Originally Posted by mac25 thank you guys =D, you mentioned insurance Rich, what does this cover? i thought all insurance was void while tracking. does this cover the team against law suits from injury or does this cover the cars if one spins out and hits a wall?
if i was to come out with the morrisport group what is needed?
drivers licence
insurance
helmet
stable car ie suspension and brakes?
helmet
more?
are aftermarket coilovers ok? | the insurance which Rich refers to is the host club's insurance for liability and/or possibly property damage to the track. 
your vehicle damage is not covered under that policy nor will ICBC (and other third party insurers) cover it
and your list- that's all you need. just make sure your car is good to go and you're set! helmet may or may not be provided by some clubs. mods to cars of course are OK if they are safe (you know what i mean! )
FYI - i created a thread on the Vancouver Subaru forum (nasioc) which answers everything you've asked | |
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03-13-2013, 01:59 PM
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thank you Rich Sandor, death_blossom, white rocket, slowguy, ilvtofu and freakshow!
i'm considering joining ubc scc after visiting their page. looks like $25 membership for a year plus $25-$55 per event. this is within my price range considering with my schedule i may not be able to attend any events.
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03-13-2013, 02:15 PM
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Dude, be realistic. You're not going to be doing any W2W racing anytime soon without a huge budget. I tried getting into it and it's easily $1000/weekend. Go do some track days, learn to handle a car and go from there. If you really want to race wheel to wheel, buy my kart and go race for $200/weekend against 30 guys at a world class facility and have way more fun than in a crappy 80's honda civic doing 100kph down the straight. http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rd...599745304.html http://simaracing.com/start-racing <- Located in Blaine, WA 5min from Abby. Greg Moore Raceway in Chilliwack also holds events all summer.
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#22 | | F**K YOUR HEAD
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Originally Posted by mac25 thank you guys =D, you mentioned insurance Rich, what does this cover? i thought all insurance was void while tracking. does this cover the team against law suits from injury or does this cover the cars if one spins out and hits a wall?
if i was to come out with the morrisport group what is needed?
drivers licence
insurance
helmet
stable car ie suspension and brakes?
helmet
more?
are aftermarket coilovers ok? | Just check out the website... Morrisport.com // Advanced Driving
Decent tires, not just tread but compound
Good fluids, it's not unlikely you will cook some fluids if you're running 20 mins+ at a time
Good brake pad life,
If you're doing mission chances are your OEM Civic brake pads or street compound pads aren't enough unless you're pretty slow
Helmet doesn't just mean your old DOT sticker'ed motorcycle helmet
I still recommend you doing autocross, its got its drawbacks but you don't know how your car really feels at the limits and it's a safer place to learn to respect your car, plowing through a corner or snap oversteer/spin out there is better than on the track or street. You don't seem to know what you're doing yet and sound like you want to bite off more than you can chew.
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03-13-2013, 03:53 PM
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Sorry for the late reply guys.
What I meant by track racing, was pretty much track days. Where from what I understand just have a bunch of people driving around a track at their own pace and learning their car/driving lines/techniques?
And from what I gather, in terms of north of the border all we have is Mission Raceway, but if you go down to the states there are a lot more other options?
In terms of prerequisites, do you need any sort of track license? I drive a Jetta TDi Sedan, would I need anything special in order for me to drive my car around a track? Special Insurance?
From what I know.. You also need a helmet with some type of DOT designation? Where's the best place to get such a helmet?
In terms of cost, would you guys who do go, do you guys blow through a set of tires and brakes everytime you go? Change your fluids right after?
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03-13-2013, 03:58 PM
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Sorry. not *DOT* but *SNELL*!
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03-13-2013, 04:09 PM
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| www.carsonice.ca is probably the cheapest way you can get into wheel to wheel road course style racing. But you will still need a full cage and other safety equip. Of course there is also the seasonal aspect of ice...
Helmet:
For most auto racing DOT is not good enough. You will need a SNELL approved helmet.
try here: Driver's Edge Autosport - the store for Drivers
If you want track days you will be limited to Rivers Edge Raceway north of the border. (mission road course. "Mission Raceway" is the drag strip)
Rivers edge can be/is VERY hard on brakes! I pit for a Spec Miata team, if you are driving hard enough your brakes can be toast after only one day or running (we actually melted a brand new set of Porterfield pads and fused them to the calipers...) I highly recommend you put in some good pads and upgrade your brake fluid. | |
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