Mid size sporty/luxury sedan comparison - Opinions

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by BBMme

My pick goes to the tl-s. 3.5L v6 - 5speed auto - fwd(gas) - brembo - quad exhaust - reliable
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Not many nice ones for sale..

[Energy]

Originally Posted by 4444

based on your signature, i see you don't drive one - this matters as you only realize their weakness when you drive them daily. initially, it's buttery smooth, but under the surface, the weaknesses come through within a couple of trips

i have owned multiple 6 speed honda transmissions, my family owns and have owned numerous honda 6 speed transmissions

all of them suck! gears grind under quick/aggressive shifting (shift cable is not strong enough, back in the day when there was a stamped metal connector, it was way better.

also, every single one has had a weakness in shifting into 3rd gear - consistent across every single one.

hondas are known for poor transmissions, but amazing engines - my experience supports this. Their autos also suck in a major way

i'm talking from the perspective of someone who is hard on transmissions, hard and heavy shifting, quick shifts, aggressive driving - honda's ONLY weakness is their transmission when you drive like this

Interesting. I've driven the 8th Gen Si and an RSX-S and their transmissions were pretty good. Nice short throws and excellent feel. But then my experience with those were only for short stints driving friends' cars and not on a daily basis so you may be right.

[cdizzle_996]

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Not many nice ones for sale..

American rebuilds..

[Skittlez160]

Cool, thanks for posting my car!

Originally Posted by Kushy

my vote goes for the RL

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[Skittlez160]

Originally Posted by BBMme

My pick goes to the tl-s. 3.5L v6 - 5speed auto - fwd(gas) - brembo - quad exhaust - reliable
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The 05-08 RL has the same motor as a 07-08 TL-S. The RL also had SH-AWD and also has 4 piston brake calipers. It took me 2 years to find my RL and I'm thrilled to finally own one.

Cam (OP), this is EM1SiR btw, lol.
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Edit: Amongst other geek features that I'm into. Such as the rear sunshades lol

[cdizzle_996]

I love the RL as well. My uncle has one back east, I love it!

Hi Glen
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[4444]

Originally Posted by Energy

Interesting. I've driven the 8th Gen Si and an RSX-S and their transmissions were pretty good. Nice short throws and excellent feel. But then my experience with those were only for short stints driving friends' cars and not on a daily basis so you may be right.

I owned an 8th gen si, now have another 6 spd Honda, I'm not making this up, look at any si forum, will prob be on other Honda forums for other 6 speeds, it is a huge problem since 2006 or so.

And u've proven my point - they're so nice to drive for a short sprint, any issues u probably put down to human error, but it's not

[4444]

Originally Posted by BBMme

My pick goes to the tl-s. 3.5L v6 - 5speed auto - fwd(gas) - brembo - quad exhaust - reliable
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No, get the 6 speed, even though I do complain, I've driven the auto with paddles, horrid, slow shifts, clumsy... Boring

Gas usage isn't great, 9/10 L per 100 km... Guess that is ok, but I want better than that

Quad exhaust, while good looking, shouldn't really be a consideration

The chassis/suspension is another huge plus on this car, takes corners almost as nicely as a civic si (which I think is one of the best chassis for the money)

[dared3vil0]

Originally Posted by 4444

I owned an 8th gen si, now have another 6 spd Honda, I'm not making this up, look at any si forum, will prob be on other Honda forums for other 6 speeds, it is a huge problem since 2006 or so.

And u've proven my point - they're so nice to drive for a short sprint, any issues u probably put down to human error, but it's not

My '07 Si had terrible transmission problems until i put in an aftermarket cmc. Now it's perfect.

[tofu1413]

09+ cadillac CTS ?? I think those are pretty good looking cars.. good size too.

[PJ]

I miss my TL

I can weigh on the Lexus, as my cousin and my friend both have the IS350, and I test drove a 250.
The IS is very comfortable, but the 250 is weak as faaawwk. You'll want the 350 if you go this route.
The back seat leg room is also veerrry tight - this was an unpleasant surprise when I went to test drive them. I always thought IS's had decent backseats, so that was very disappointing. But the front seats are some of the most comfortable out there.
The ride is very smooth. So smooth to the point where it's almost boring.
All depends on what you're looking for, but the IS is more comfy than sporty

[v_tec]

Originally Posted by cdizzle_996

In the next few months I'm looking to purchase a sedan. I've been a honda fan for years, but am completely unbiased.

I'm looking for personal opinions and experiences on the following:

Lexus IS250
Lexus IS350
Acura TL-S
Acura RL
Infiniti M35X

TIA
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Don't get me wrong, the Lexus IS is an awesome car.
But it's no where near "mid size". Have you tried siting in the back?
No where near the TL or RL.
It's worse than what you would get from a Corolla or Civic.
Have you ever considered the new GS as an alternative?

[!Aznboi128]

Glen's RL......

FUCKING JIZZED ALL OVER MY COMPUTER!

[Skittlez160]

Originally Posted by !Aznboi128

Glen's RL......

FUCKING JIZZED ALL OVER MY COMPUTER!

Hahaha thanks Jimmy
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[vash13]

How about the newer TL 2008 - present? I have been on the look for one that is 6 speed manual and SH-AWD. Anybody have any input on it?

[Skittlez160]

Would you consider an Infiniti M45? Pretty sweet car, V8 though lol.
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[Groot]

lol, yeah the legroom in the back of a IS... when it came out went to test drive it with my parents. I was like 14-15 y/o and 5'8"ish...sat in the back felt really confined. what made it worse was I was sitting behind the passenger seat and the asshole salesman moved his seat really far back giving me no room to move

[Timpo]

[cdizzle_996]

Originally Posted by Skittlez160

Would you consider an Infiniti M45? Pretty sweet car, V8 though lol.
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Yeah I really like the 05+, just the fuel that scares me.

I've been looking at all of these for a while, and when I read people on foums getting 30ish MPG out of their TL-S on highway trips, it makes me lean towards that. When I see guys getting 16 city, and 20 on the highway out of the Infiniti, it really turns me off lol.

[CP.AR]

I miss my TL

...I mean Camry

[silva95teg]

Originally Posted by cdizzle_996

Yeah I really like the 05+, just the fuel that scares me.

I've been looking at all of these for a while, and when I read people on foums getting 30ish MPG out of their TL-S on highway trips, it makes me lean towards that. When I see guys getting 16 city, and 20 on the highway out of the Infiniti, it really turns me off lol.

I have an 06 6spd TL and see over 30 on the hwy usually about 31-33 and get about 19 if just in the city. I agree on the transmission posted above, but mine were all resolved with the GM/ACdelco fluid. There is a valve on the slave cylinder that is supposed to make the shifting smoother, however all it did for me is make it harder to be smooth by reducing clutch feel.(It can be removed)

Separate note: Love Skittlez160 RL above, was initially looking for one but there are almost none around

[Skittlez160]

Originally Posted by vash13

How about the newer TL 2008 - present? I have been on the look for one that is 6 speed manual and SH-AWD. Anybody have any input on it?

Oooh yes that's a good choice too.

My friend got a '09 TL SH-AWD w/ navi and it's really nice. Has a lot of tech features, Honda/Acura reliability and lots of luxury features.

I guess it depends on his budget. These still go for high $20,000s to low $30,000.

[Skittlez160]

Originally Posted by silva95teg

Separate note: Love Skittlez160 RL above, was initially looking for one but there are almost none around

Thank you!

Yeah they're hard to come by. You'll see 1-2 pop up on Craigslist from time to time and that's about it. Like I was saying, in my 2 year hunt none were coming up at the right price point. When I saw this one, I knew it was time to pull the trigger.

[CP.AR]

One thing I hated about my car though (04 TL, base 5AT... though I think this goes with ALL 3rd Gen TL)

The seats don't fold down. So if you plan on carrying any large objects you can forget about using the trunk. All there is, is a small opening big enough to fit a 2x4 thru and maybe a set of skis.

That being said, the trunk is pretty spacious

About the transmission problems - I had/have none. Bought it in 2009 with 12,500km on the clock (that's right bitches, barely broken in) and still continues to drive fine today even though it's now under the daily abuse of my dad's heavy foot

Originally Posted by Kushy

lol, yeah the legroom in the back of a IS... when it came out went to test drive it with my parents. I was like 14-15 y/o and 5'8"ish...sat in the back felt really confined. what made it worse was I was sitting behind the passenger seat and the asshole salesman moved his seat really far back giving me no room to move

must be a noob as fuck salesman lol

[cdizzle_996]

Originally Posted by Skittlez160

Would you consider an Infiniti M45? Pretty sweet car, V8 though lol.
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After doing some serious reading last night, the M45 sounds pretty damn good. Tons of features as well..