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Old 05-18-2013, 08:07 AM   #26
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There's also this thing called email which works pretty well in business communications
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:57 AM   #28
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blackberry/BBM is still popular around the world . They don't give a fuck if people in north america are switching to iPhones or androids .
i'm pretty sure BB is predominantly north american. In China I see 1 in 10,000 people with smart phones own a BB. Same thing in europe too.
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i'm pretty sure BB is predominantly north american. In China I see 1 in 10,000 people with smart phones own a BB. Same thing in europe too.
Dinamax was referring to India and South East Asia, which are BBRY's strongest markets.
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wechat, whatsapp and all the other messaging services run rings around bbm.
Why is that? Last time I checked BBM is more secure than all those apps combined
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Why is that? Last time I checked BBM is more secure than all those apps combined
Whatsapp and Kakaotalk both have message encryption and have a much greater user base. Don't be fooled by the false sense of security that only Blackberry can provide message encryption.

WhatsApp FAQ - Are my messages secure?

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And of course whatsapp would say that their shit is secure , what company wouldn't?
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And of course whatsapp would say that their shit is secure , what company wouldn't?
Based on your perspective, I could say the same about Blackberry too, then.

Here is an article from an official news agency, and not an opinion from an average joe.

BlackBerry not as secure as believed, memo warns federal workers | canada.com
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Whatsapp and Kakaotalk both have message encryption and have a much greater user base. Don't be fooled by the false sense of security that only Blackberry can provide message encryption.

WhatsApp FAQ - Are my messages secure?

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Security hole that lets people hi-jack users accounts? Being pulled from the App store on apple because of lack of security?

I never knew bbm security was worse than that
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Security hole that lets people hi-jack users accounts? Being pulled from the App store on apple because of lack of security?

I never knew bbm security was worse than that
This is like comparing apples to oranges. Blackberry will have as many security flaws as Whatsapp, if they had 200 million users, is widely available across multiple mobile platforms, and that hacker care to expose them. As we currently stand. Blackberry is ranked 4th worldwide (behind WP8) in market share, if you're a hacker, you won't care to target a small userbase.

This is like another PC vs Mac security debate. If BBM is as significant as other messengers (Whatsapp, Kakotalk), I am sure hackers will care enough to expose them. We will find out sooner or later whether BBM can withstand its claims.

The point that I am trying to make is that people were suggesting that Blackberry is the only player in the game with message encryption and I am just trying to say that there are others including Whatsapp that have that feature as well, and whether it has security vulnerabilities or not, is a whole other debate.
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Based on your perspective, I could say the same about Blackberry too, then.

Here is an article from an official news agency, and not an opinion from an average joe.

BlackBerry not as secure as believed, memo warns federal workers | canada.com
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This article is seriously misleading. PIN to PIN communication has always been discouraged or banned outright by corporations because they are not as secure and not traceable. It has nothing to do to with the ultimate security of BlackBerry email and data, and the memo was simply warning employees on that point.
I hope you know companys with BES users ban their employees from using PIN to PIN and who the fuck even uses it?

I hope you inform yourself about BB before you try to trash it.

http://crackberry.com/pin-pin-messaging-secure
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This is like comparing apples to oranges. Blackberry will have as many security flaws as Whatsapp, if they had 200 million users, is widely available across multiple mobile platforms, and that hacker care to expose them. As we currently stand. Blackberry is ranked 4th worldwide (behind WP8) in market share, if you're a hacker, you won't care to target a small userbase.

We will find out sooner or later whether BBM can withstand its claims.

The point that I am trying to make is that people were suggesting that Blackberry is the only player in the game with message encryption and I am just trying to say that there are others including Whatsapp that have that feature as well, and whether it has security vulnerabilities or not, is a whole other debate.
1. That's just speculation. I'm talking as of now. BBM is much more secure than Whatsapp. It always was in the past, it still is in the present, but I won't deny that Whatsapp has a chance to take it in the future.

2. India is one of the world leaders in IT right now. There TONS of hackers from that country including TONS in the government. None of which could get into BBM messages. Blackberry knows what it's doing when it comes to security. The government led a full out attack against BBM and the end result was forcing RIM to give customer information.

3. I agree with you there. BBM is definitely not the only messaging app to go to when it comes to security. However given Whatsapp's security history, BBM is one of the leading apps when it comes to security.

Whatsapp and other messaging applications are great. I was just replying to this comment about Whatsapp running rings around BBM when really it doesn't at all...

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whatsapp is much more limited compared to BBM.... They are going to integrate calendars, email, document editor etc.... when that stand alone app comes out for ios and android it has potential to be my daily driver app.
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Sure BBM has encrypted messaging. But honestly will consumers make a big fuss about it to make them switch? Doubt it.
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