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Old 05-27-2013, 08:13 AM   #26
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oh first world problems.. I live in china now and everything i eat, touch, breath is genetically modified/chemical induced/carcinogenic lol. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I haven't died yet
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BTW if you didn't bother to watch this because of the length, I urge you to check it out. It speaks not only on the idiotic fight against GMO, but how following such conspiracy theories blindly can be really damaging to the world.
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How about 3D printers printing out steaks assembled with pork cells?

Stuff like this will be a nesacarry evil down the road
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The "selective breeding" you mentioned that occurs in nature, gives the specific bred a natural advantage over others, and that specific genes tends to spread throughout the whole species.. eg breeds of dogs we get would not occur in the wild.. eg Great Danes or Pugs. While humans bred animal for their own amusement and needs.

I still awaits what the OP defines as GMO etc first.

At this stage, we know method of raising organism affect taste (organic, greenhouse etc) of the food more than GMO.

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But the method of selective breeding occurs in nature. With a broad definition like that, it would seem like every organism is GMO.

There are other methods of altering DNA, for example, with a virus.

I kind of figured that's what you were implying with that question.

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Organic food is great but comes at a price. Land is scarce, we are expanding, we need cheap food.

Speaking from a purely scientific background, unless the genetic modifications make the plant over-produce some natural carcinogen (none that I can think of right now) or toxin, all that's really happening is overproduction of the reproductive organs/fruiting bodies -- don't see a problem with that.

I'm curious, is there any argument against GMO aside from the supposed negative effects on humans (i.e. wiping out native plant species by successfully competing for resources)?

If I give someone a genetically modified tomato and an organic tomato, the body's processes to break it down will be the same -- the only difference being one will simply have more plant mass. As a consumer I'd be more worried about the soil conditions and fertilizers used to grow a plant than its genetic make-up. Plant DNA/cellular material is all going to be destroyed/broken down by the time it reaches the stomach anyways.

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^You know, heating water in a microwave is bad too, because it changes the water's DNA and mutates into something else.

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Water doesn't have DNA .....

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#yolo, buy cheap fruits and put regular gas in your premium requiring car, more money for beers and weed.
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Not native per se, but Monsanto seeds are more resistant to weeds.. so they can crowd out traditional seeds at extreme conditions.

The thing is there is nothing truly "natural" about being agrarian ie farming.

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I wonder if we have opened OP's mind, and she is off doing research, or if she has just abandoned this thread due to logic overload
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Mark Lynas was a founder of the anti-gmo movement and recently apologized for it. About a three trillion GMO meals served worldwide and no hard evidence of negative side effects. Following the footsteps of Patrick Moore... UBC grad who founded Green Peace and left the group when they became anti government. I recommend Youtubing his speeches and interviews as well.

A founder of the anti-GM food movement on how he got it wrong - The Interview - Macleans.ca

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What do you do when "leader" changes his mind? lol
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What do you do when "leader" changes his mind? lol
Actually real leaders are those who change their minds based on facts vs ideology and fess up. Horrible leaders are those who insist the world is flat even if the facts tell them otherwise. One of the problem I see with the modern leadership / world is every leader is on the pedestal and are not allowed to admit they are wrong.
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These are all good points I've listened to everyone of them as this thread was created to get discussions going.
Until their are long term studies that are done by others with no vested interested on what this does to humans I'm going to try and eat non gmo when I can. I just became aware of what a gmo was not too long ago so still in the infancy stage in knowledge about and limiting them in my diet..
I did think this episode was good. Even the tv doctors admit no one knows what this does to humans and that peanut allergies are on the rise and could potentially be in part thanks to gm. Video Library

We all make our own choices and yes gm could be a good thing but I liken it to steroids being given to animals, I want to eat as natural foods as I can so my choice is to say no to gmo
The Economics of California's Genetically Modified Food Bill - Economic Intelligence (usnews.com)
http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/f...fact-sheet.pdf

ScienceDirect.com - Food and Chemical Toxicology - Long term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize
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It's good that you looked more into it, and while I think there's no reason to avoid it in terms of health, it doesn't harm anyone or spread misinformation to do so.

The main thing I guess is, that you realize that lumping together shitty corporations with a method of growing food is not a good idea. If you ever decide to protest or march against Monsanto, leave GMO itself out of it.
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I used to think that GMOs were the worst things you could put in to your body. Over time, I did more reading (intentional and non-intentional) on the subject. and came to realize that GMOs aren't necessarily bad. I mean a fair percentage of the food we've been eating for the past couple of decades have had some sort of GMOs in them (soy and corn being the top two), yet we as humans are hitting all time highs for lifespan.

My opinion on the topic is that GMOs have helped us a lot more than it has harmed us (if it has at all). The main purpose of creating GMOs has always been to improve the original. GMOs crops are easier to harvest, are more resistant to pests and other natural annoyances, and in some cases, are even more beneficial to our health by including nutrients it wouldn't naturally possess.

It's just that Monsanto is linked to GMOs, and as stated by others in this thread, their unethical practices has sort of painted a bad light on the subject.
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I think what added to the fear were things like injecting fish genes into a tomato. I would liken it to playing god, and stem cells research.

No one knows what'll happen, but there's only one way to find out. It's good that over time nothing has gone wrong.
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I think what added to the fear were things like injecting fish genes into a tomato. I would liken it to playing god, and stem cells research.

No one knows what'll happen, but there's only one way to find out. It's good that over time nothing has gone wrong.
That's just religious nonsense - the easiest protests of all to dismiss.
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Although i am not a fan of GMOs, i think they are here to stay. I am concerned about longterm use and exposure and i don't like the idea of people messing with natural food.

The only thing i would like to see is proper food labels. This way the consumer can avoid these products should they choose.
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Skinny pupp why do you have to act all high and mighty like your opinion is the only one that matters, you sound like such a cocky arrogant asshole. This was a thread for discussion about this topic, not for you to jump in like you do among many other threads and act like your way is the only right way

Putting fish genes into a tomato, putting genes in that will repel rodents from eating them or putting genes in that will make foods resistant to pesticides needs further studies on long term effects on humans... There is one long term study out that there that shows large tumors on rats.. If this is true and gmos cause cancerous tumors, infertility, other health problems, wreck havoc on the soils and environment then I don't want this around... My biggest points are that it should be labeled so people can choose whether or not they ingest this and more studies done by people other than the biotech corporations
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That's just religious nonsense - the easiest protests of all to dismiss.
Many people are religious. Policies are made based on what most people think, hence our vote for politicians.

Sure it may be nonsense, but I'd like to see you make your arguments against all of them to set them straight. There's where the real challenge lies.
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Skinny pupp why do you have to act all high and mighty like your opinion is the only one that matters, you sound like such a cocky arrogant asshole. This was a thread for discussion about this topic, not for you to jump in like you do among many other threads and act like your way is the only right way

Putting fish genes into a tomato, putting genes in that will repel rodents from eating them or putting genes in that will make foods resistant to pesticides needs further studies on long term effects on humans... There is one long term study out that there that shows large tumors on rats.. If this is true and gmos cause cancerous tumors, infertility, other health problems, wreck havoc on the soils and environment then I don't want this around... My biggest points are that it should be labeled so people can choose whether or not they ingest this and more studies done by people other than the biotech corporations
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I didn't say my opinion is the "only one that matters" I said that I dismiss religious arguments when it comes to science.

Don't get all upset about this, it has nothing to do with you or anyone else here. All I have been doing is posting the argument that it makes no sense to be against GMO just for the sake of being GMO. If you want to do this however, go for it!

You're the one who is coming across as not accepting arguments, calling me names and getting all upset. So because my opinion differs from yours, I am a "cocky asshole"?

You posted this to make a discussion about the topic. However when people discuss it, you resort to getting all upset and calling names. There is no 'right way' to believe something. There is logical and illogical. If you want to be illogical, fine. Like I said, it's not going to hurt anyone if you illogically decide not to eat GMO food. My only point was ever that you should not lump in a technology with a shitty company that everyone knows is shitty.

As for banning GMO itself, the world is changing, and we are going to have to change things to accommodate. If we hold back those changes because some people think it's immoral and everyone should live by their morals, we are doomed.
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to me it seems alot more ignorant to be all over GMO's and seemingly not concerned at all with practices such as fish farms etc.

killing and endangering entire species seems much more of a concern then producing 8-10% better yields on corn..
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I think this here ^^ set the thread off on a negative foot.

I think that most people who ventured into this thread don't need to be warned before we post. We all get the rules of RS...we don't need it constantly slapped in our faces.
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without GMO we wouldn't have big macs & double cheeseburgers.

Therefore, i support GMO
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I agree with that sentiment.. it strikes me as Michelle Bachmann/ Tea Party esque.. where one want to press a point based on one's own belief rather than scientific facts. I still wait for the OP to respond with her definition of "altered" DNA.

I also find it ironic that a mod is having a spat with the programmer who made the board possible.

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I think that most people who ventured into this thread don't need to be warned before we post. We all get the rules of RS...we don't need it constantly slapped in our faces.

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We play God all the time.. eg one of my grad studies was the laser out neurons of little worms to help create mathematical models so we can understand the brain more. In fact I would argue, basic research (ie research that doesn't have any immediate tangible results eg CERN's LHC) we are all trying to be God.

The thing about injecting "fish genes" into tomato.. they still need to conform to the ATGC construct, the way I think about it is cutting and pasting instead of typing in an a Shakespeare play by hand.. which way would you think would cause more errors? Some of the rice we eat every day are cross bred with wheat (so they require less water).. in nature that would not happen too... much like salmon genes in tomato. You can't really pick and choose because just because it is salmon genes it doesn't smell fishy.. it still follow the ATGC rules.

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No one knows what'll happen, but there's only one way to find out. It's good that over time nothing has gone wrong.

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