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Old 05-28-2013, 08:09 PM   #26
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This past federal election I didn't vote as I was too uninformed on each party's respective campaign initiatives. That being said, I've found that, as of late, the NDP have appeared to be my choice for the next federal party; majority or otherwise. There's been so many shady actions going on with Harper and the Conservative Party these days.

If only Layton was still around..
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:37 PM   #27
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I know a lot of people here on RS like Layton, and I agree that he is a very charismatic leader. At the same time, while I respect his enthusiasm and dedication, I also despise the man for his scheming and opportunistic ways.

With the first 2 minority Conservative government under Harper, especially, Layton and the NDP was the key minority player that often propped up the Conservatives. As the king maker party, Layton was especially good at leveraging whatever schemes and benefits he could reap off Harper. At the same time, if you remember the government proroguing and vote of no confidence fiasco, you could just see how Layton was always looking for opportunities to scheme up something for his and his party's own good. And for that, I despise him.
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that's what parties and leaders do... what you described just shows he was a good leader, negotiate, leverage, take advantage of a situation to support your cause and supporters and he did it without detriment to the country A+
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It depends on how you look at it. You could argue that he was leveraging the situation and trying to get the most out of what he can get for his supporters, and at times, you are completely correct. At the same time, I found that a lot of times Layton wasn't really following the NDP political spectrum. Instead, he was merely doing what he can to milk the most out of the situation. The parliament proroguing fiasco in particular left a really bad taste of Layton and the Liberals in my mouth. The fiasco was not for the benefits of their cause or supporters -- it was all for their selfish personal gains.
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Smoothie and dynamix's attitude is a partial reason why politics at all three levels of government is so toxic in this country. Voters want soundbites and catchy slogans, and don't want to spend the time researching the over-arching issues. I blame the creeping Americanization in Canada-we are bombared by US style 24-hour news cycles that facilitate "Coles Notes Campaigns".

On a side note, apparently the Koch Brothers bankrolled these robocalls. They are known for financing the campaigns of batshit insane right wing politicians in the US.
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I'm never have to voted in my life and I never will. As much we love argue over politics it's a no win situation. Working class/middle class votes or opinions doesn't mean shit.
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I know a lot of people here on RS like Layton, and I agree that he is a very charismatic leader. At the same time, while I respect his enthusiasm and dedication, I also despise the man for his scheming and opportunistic ways.

With the first 2 minority Conservative government under Harper, especially, Layton and the NDP was the key minority player that often propped up the Conservatives. As the king maker party, Layton was especially good at leveraging whatever schemes and benefits he could reap off Harper. At the same time, if you remember the government proroguing and vote of no confidence fiasco, you could just see how Layton was always looking for opportunities to scheme up something for his and his party's own good. And for that, I despise him.
It's called politics.

Think about it...in a minority government situation you have two options(well 3, I'll get to that)

Vote with the government and they stay in power, or vote them down and an election is called.

Usually, the parties will talk shit about each other, but end up supporting a government until enough time has passed since the last election that a) we aren't going to the polls every 6 months wasting big money and getting annoyed and b) there has been some change some where that is going to get them more seats.

Why have an election if the same thing is going to happen? It's a waste. You risk losing what you have!

So, in the NDP's 'greatest hits' column, is some of what they've accomplished during minority governments. Why?

It's simple. They've never been in power. So, to get a taste for what they can do, they horse trade for it. Then, they can go around and say, "we did this, in this situation"

That's not being power hungry assholes..that's making a lot of fucking sense! And I don't like the NDP.

Highlights of what they've done: Petro-Canada..I don't know why, but that was what they wanted from Trudeau in the 70's.

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They achieved their epic wins in the last election precisely because of the work they did with the minority governments. They got their name out there.

Dislike the NDP all you want(hell I do) but dislike them for the right reasons...namely, they want to tax work, and reward non-work.
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I know it's called politics. At the same time, I disagree with all the BS reasons that the NDP, the Liberals, and the Bloc Quebecois were tossing out at the time of the 2008 parliament prorogation fiasco. Those guys (the Liberals, especially) fxxking lost the election, but they still wanted to cry foul after losing. Had they really wanted to run the government as a coalition with the NDP, the campaigning platform should have included that possibility. The way the Canadian government has always operated was that the largest party forms a minority government, not for other parties to form a governing coalition. Those Liberals and NDP losers were just exactly that -- acting like a bunch of power hungry sore losers looking for whatever ways and loopholes to bend the rules for their own gains.

I have no problem with parties forming a governing coalition if the election was being campaigned as such. But given the history of Canadian elections (esp at the federal level), governing coalition was not the norm, and voters were all expecting to see either a majority or minority government after their votes, so they were casting their ballots with the expectation of a single governing party.

Essentially, it boils down to false advertising. If a product was being advertised as "A", you expect to get "A" when you pay for it. For some guy to claim that "B" is really what is being sold because of some loop hole is just not right. Had you told me "B" was really the product being sold, I might have been willing to consider it.
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I'm sick of the shit the conservatives and liberals have been doing and will be voting green in the next election. Greens are the one party who haven't had a chance in office and all the 3 that have has had some sort of corruption so I think it's time for them to get a chance and show us what they can do to better our country and environment
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The Green Party has zero chance. Why? Because when it comes down to it, the majority of people care more about economics than the environment...which is why the Liberals are still in power in BC.
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The Green Party has zero chance. Why? Because when it comes down to it, the majority of people care more about economics than the environment...which is why the Liberals are still in power in BC.
Yes, but that's not really why the liberals are still in power in BC.
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:37 PM   #37
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^ I still personally believe that a fair portion of voters "know they wouldn't vote conservative", but aren't well enough informed to make an educated vote between the number of "left wing" parties.

This is why I wish ad campaigns were less slanderous toward the opposing parties, and focused more on educating everyone on what really matters; politics.
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