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Old 08-23-2013, 07:36 PM   #1
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Next week, applications will open online for UBC Vantage College, an on-campus college for international students who do not meet UBC’s English language requirements.

The program is intended to increase the diversity of the student body and to fill gaps in UBC’s central budget. Students will spend 12 months in the program, taking either arts, physical sciences, or computational sciences, and then make the transition to second-year Arts or Science.

Students who attend the college will take existing UBC courses, but these courses will be structured somewhat differently to accommodate students in the college. These courses will teach the same material as regular UBC classes, and so will be counted as the same on university transcripts, according to Vantage College principal James Ridge.

Tuition fees for the college are $40,000, and the college’s website places the cost of the entire year at $61,700. There is a supplemental tuition fee of $5,000 for any student who has to extend their enrollment in the program to 16 months due to either failing a course or requiring additional language support.

Recruitment for the college will be done by existing international recruiters for UBC. The college also has their own recruiting team that will focus on some of their initial target countries — specifically Vietnam, Brazil and Turkey.

Ridge confirmed that, with the exception of English language scores, admission requirements will be “identical or comparable” to current admission requirements for international undergraduate students.

“The students we are taking have to be as academically capable or more so than all of our other direct-entry international students,” said Ridge.

After an initial screening of high school grades, admissions will be determined by a team of Vantage College staff who as a group will review all applicants.

“There’s been huge interest in the college from around the world,” said Ridge. “We’re somewhat unique in that we’re not sort of an arms-length program that’s run with a private sector partner. The fact that we have UBC faculty, UBC courses, that we’re an integral academic unit at a university of our status has sparked a lot of interest in our program.”
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We invented a new program to take existing products, in existing buildings and package it up in a way that we can get $40,000 fucking dollars out of rich kids from Brazil, Vietnam and Turkey.

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Tuition fees for the college are $40,000, and the college’s website places the cost of the entire year at $61,700. There is a supplemental tuition fee of $5,000 for any student who has to extend their enrollment in the program to 16 months due to either failing a course or requiring additional language support.
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I've no problem with this concept...if they are able to study abroad...milk em good. cant get LPI score of 5? NO PROPREM LET US TAKE UR MONEY

many local high school graduates and their parents blame UBC for intaking too many international students that occupy seats that would otherwise be for domestic students...truth is it's just a cut-throat competition now that they rid of the only standardization...the BC provincial grade 12 exams.

My probrem ries in the fact that the ad is in Chinese....what good is a Canadian degree if you can't meet our language requirement?
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To get into second year Ubc courses, do u need the language requirements?

Just more of this city selling itself to foreign rich ppl - does not build a quality city, builds a city full of self rightious arrogant cunts (see McDonalds china woman story)

Vancouver is a much worse city than the one I moved to 15 years ago, even 10 years ago... Last 7 years have been the worst and its a combo of the terrible people running this city and the people they bring in for their money. This model will not bode well for Vancouver in the future, we get a bit of cash today, don't get the dripping cash every year like they get off of us, from the working stiffs who pay 40% marginal tax rates... But given we don't build an economy with good jobs, etc. we won't have this.

I wish Gregor, Christie, and Harper would realize their policies are incredibly short sighted. This falls inline with this
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To get into second year Ubc courses, do u need the language requirements?

Just more of this city selling itself to foreign rich ppl - does not build a quality city, builds a city full of self rightious arrogant cunts (see McDonalds china woman story)

Vancouver is a much worse city than the one I moved to 15 years ago, even 10 years ago... Last 7 years have been the worst and its a combo of the terrible people running this city and the people they bring in for their money. This model will not bode well for Vancouver in the future, we get a bit of cash today, don't get the dripping cash every year like they get off of us, from the working stiffs who pay 40% marginal tax rates... But given we don't build an economy with good jobs, etc. we won't have this.

I wish Gregor, Christie, and Harper would realize their policies are incredibly short sighted. This falls inline with this
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To get into second year Ubc courses, do u need the language requirements?

Just more of this city selling itself to foreign rich ppl - does not build a quality city, builds a city full of self rightious arrogant cunts (see McDonalds china woman story)

Vancouver is a much worse city than the one I moved to 15 years ago, even 10 years ago... Last 7 years have been the worst and its a combo of the terrible people running this city and the people they bring in for their money. This model will not bode well for Vancouver in the future, we get a bit of cash today, don't get the dripping cash every year like they get off of us, from the working stiffs who pay 40% marginal tax rates... But given we don't build an economy with good jobs, etc. we won't have this.

I wish Gregor, Christie, and Harper would realize their policies are incredibly short sighted. This falls inline with this
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level your house, their house, that house, your mom and build tiny, poorly made condos on the land they stood on.

oh, the lies-debt free BC anyone? At a time when the provincial debt had escalated more than ever before, sure, a debt free BC sounds reasonable

BC? Bring Cash. Yes, our provincial tax rate is low, but that doesn't do much when I pay out everywhere I go that has a province of BC sign out front.

Hi! Since when is $300k for a shitty 700 sq.ft apartment in a do nothing neighborhood called "south of rumble" or "south slope" even close to fucking reasonable? 40 year mortgages=free market my ass. We're one of the least densely populated countries on earth. No, we're not running out of land.

Finally...the people. You want to feel the judgment of a city's worth of indignant assholes? Throw out a juice box. Ask the question if millions of dollars spent on bike lanes is really appropriate. The other group over there is protesting that restaurant because that other group over there won't give them their lunch money. And yes, that yet another group over there is wearing bandanas and breaking the window of your privately owned restaurant to fight for you. It's Vancouver baby! EVERYONE is up in your shit.

I have yet to this day to truly consider myself "of BC". I've always keep a toe hanging on to the other side.
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Well said.

We have low corporate tax rates, Alberta has lower (I think), but we have higher personal tax rates plus Ei and cpp and all the other stuff they take from my pay check.

I am fortunate, I am well educated, I earn what is considered a lot of money here... But I don't feel wealthy, well off, or anything, yet I earn top 5% of vancouverites based on statistics... It's because to feel wealthy or be wealthy here, you don't earn here, you either own assets here (here is a great place to be rich and own a company) or earn ur money elsewhere.

The irony that such a "socialist" place is so not socialist at all (dtes and the less fortunate ppl there, yet building bike lanes, as mentioned)

I wish ppl would wake up to how poorly we are treated here and how poorly run this province/country is

Yes we have conservative banks - that's not a plus for us, Europe and US fucked up by deregulating, we're just behind the times, as with everything...
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Oh come on guys....we have mountains and oceans. Surely both of those are worth all of it....right? right?
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I've no problem with this concept...if they are able to study abroad...milk em good. cant get LPI score of 5? NO PROPREM LET US TAKE UR MONEY

many local high school graduates and their parents blame UBC for intaking too many international students that occupy seats that would otherwise be for domestic students...truth is it's just a cut-throat competition now that they rid of the only standardization...the BC provincial grade 12 exams.

My probrem ries in the fact that the ad is in Chinese....what good is a Canadian degree if you can't meet our language requirement?
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Does anyone know if schools like U of T and McGill employ similar "tactics"..?
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THIS IS FUCKING STUPID!!! PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH SHOULD NEVER GRADUATE UBC!!!

I don't care how much of Math genius Asian you are.
I am so against this. Being a University of Victoria graduate, and as a English as a second language speaker, I feel this is very unfair if those Chinese people get a degree from UBC without even being able to speak English.

If you graduate Canadian University, that should be an indication of your English ability...to show your employer that your English is capable enough to graduate university.

To all Asian(and other) people who had to study English to get into a Canadian university back in the day...well now their time and money was just a huge waste.
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in light of the terrible literacy displayed by students who actually DID pass the toelf lpi or whatever, its mind boggling to think what type of essays these students will have to write. there's only so many literary analyses of "see spot run" you can do.
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Lol why know just say "Pay us 200k and we garuntee you a degree in general arts" or "Pay 1m and get a degree in engineer". Just sell the degree much much easier.
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THIS IS FUCKING STUPID!!! PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH SHOULD NEVER GRADUATE UBC!!!

I don't care how much of Math genius Asian you are.
I am so against this. Being a University of Victoria graduate, and as a English as a second language speaker, I feel this is very unfair if those Chinese people get a degree from UBC without even being able to speak English.

If you graduate Canadian University, that should be an indication of your English ability...to show your employer that your English is capable enough to graduate university.

To all Asian(and other) people who had to study English to get into a Canadian university back in the day...well now their time and money was just a huge waste.
Don't know why you're tripping but the program is 12 months and they do have to transfer to and complete the regular programs in order to graduate.
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Lol @ Gululu posting this.

Now your friends with those cars can get in to UBC.
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Oh come on guys....we have mountains and oceans. Surely both of those are worth all of it....right? right?
Maybe I still have rainbows in my eyes because I've only lived here for a year, but there's just as much, if not more BS in other Canadian cities and at least the grass is literally greener here.

There's BS everywhere you go, but we have a nice view to look at.
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Maybe I still have rainbows in my eyes because I've only lived here for a year, but there's just as much, if not more BS in other Canadian cities and at least the grass is literally greener here.

There's BS everywhere you go, but we have a nice view to look at.
I've lived in BC for 30 years. Yes, Vancouver is "pretty," but why? Is it because of the mountains? Well, BC is basically made entirely of mountains. Is it the water? BC borders the Pacific Ocean. There are literally hundreds of miles of water front property that one could choose to move to. That's not to mention the thousands of lakes that dot the province. My Oma and Opa hand built a house in 108 Mile House that stood on top of a hill and overlooked 100 Mile Lake. That view they had was every inch as beautiful as those you can find in the North Shore. Hell, my property in the Interior is also on the top of a hill and even though there's no lake for me to see, I can still sit on my porch with a beer in hand and see miles of rolling, tree-covered hills.

I used to think Vancouver was the most beautiful city around... until I travelled. As much as I hate Paris, it's an equally beautiful city... just on a different scale. Bern? Salzberg? Rich in history, fantastic ruins, great views. The Cinque Terra? That, in my opinion, deserves a higher spot on the beautiful scale than Vancouver, by far.

My point is that while Vancouver is, yes, beautiful in it's own way with the ocean on your front steps and the mountains at your back lawn (not literally, since everyone is stuck in shitty ass condos ), it's not the be-all, end-all that a lot of people believe it to be.

Anyway, this is a rather large tangent from the original post. I'll add my thoughts about that in a bit.
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And yet that ad is in none of those languages. Go figure.

Two things I'd like to address about this.

This program allows you to start your studies while learning English. It's not intended to teach you in a different language; rather, it's killing two birds with one stone. It's supposed to fast track you into the University courses instead of wasting a year just learning English.

The other thing is that the price is pretty universal around the world. International students always pay more. I was accepted into York University in England a few years back and the total cost to me was $130,000 (four year program accelerated into a three year timespan). While that included both tuition and living expenses, that total seemed to be on par with any other major University around the world. It may not seem exactly fair, but if people are willing to pay it, why not charge it?
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Post secondary institutions use sky-high international tuition to subsidize tuition for domestic students. It's the reason why we don't have five-digit tuition like in the states (Exhibit A), despite dwindling funding from Ottawa and the provinces.
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