Not to get off topic but...

A replica ones intellectual property/original idea = stealing

A replica of a natural resource that only a few very rich, extremely morally questionable corporations have control over with another natural resource that isn't artificially overpriced and doesn't contribute to slavery = smart

Don't assume it's "yellow fever". With normal relationships the attraction has to go both ways. There are definitely creepy 'yellow fever' dudes out there, but those guys are creepy to begin with, and usually end up having to pay for sex to satisfy their needs. :fuckthatshit:

A ring can always be upgraded in the future when financial situations are better. Hell. My mama didnt even have an engagement ring or wedding band. My mom and dad did everything on their own to work up to where they are now. Mama now has more rings than she has fingers to wear... All because she stuck it out with a guy who was willing to work hard to provide for her and his family.

Sounds like this woman is all about the now and 0 about the future. Your friend and her need to have a serious talk about finances before moving on to weddings and marriage. Worst thing that can happen is marriage +baby + debt.
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if she's already pissy about the ring, the price of the wedding itself will be astronomical
i say run far, run fast

I'm thinking the girl went out, showed her friends and her friends said the guy is a cheap bastard for getting a ring not worth as much as a fuckin' car. You know what they say, "you are the company that you keep".

Asking the dude to take the ring back because it's not "her style" and then goes shopping for a ring 3-8x more expensive is like spitting in the guys face and then kicking him in the balls, then kicking him a few times more while he's on the ground just for the sake of kicking him.

If the dude hasn't let her know that he's in some financial trouble, now is probably the time to tell her and not make that debt double.

i am so happy this guy got away so easy. Please continue arguing. The ball is in the guy's court. let the girl go out and about and cry all she want. no one will be on her side. let this be her gentle wake up call on how freaking retarded she is.
tell her ot kick rocks.

Theres an entire thread pretty much devoted to people making fun of others who own knock off Canucks jerseys :lol

OP tread lightly.

This could happen.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/68846...ment-ring.html

50K in debt :)


Tell him to marry her asap, even it means adding another 16K to that. Marrying her means, she's legally tied to that debt. :lol

^ nope. debt was acquired prior to marriage.

Interesting comment, Dinosaur. If the debt is not joint debt subsequent to marriage, then why do people go sign prenuptial agreements?

If, in the absence of a prenuptial agreement, individual assets brought into a marriage are joint assets subsequent to marriage, and are subject to a 50/50 split upon divorce, then why would individual debts not be given the same treatment?

First thing that pops up in my head: "How much does your friend know her and vice versa?" Your friend should discuss his situation with his gf and take positive actions (such as planning for the future) together. He is 50K in the deep, so he should stop wasting money assuming things and discuss everything with her. If she is going to be his wife, she is going to spend her life with him and your friend own her some explanations.

She may return the ring for whatever her explanations are... but I think she have her reasons and your friend should think in her shoe. My gf and I shop for the engagement ring together. She wants the ring the way she want and I don;t want surprices (of getting he wrong thing). Its actually a good shopping experience and she can tell how serious the guy is.

Good Luck.

I don't the details of everything, but all I know is that the debt you bring into a marriage is your own. Not sure why or what rationale there is...

I think people who sign prenuptial agreements have substantial assets that they would like to protect and to prevent having a judge dictate what lifestyle one has to help maintain for the other.

For example:Husband owns a business. After marriage, husband 'hires' wife and pays her an income. They divorce and she is essentially 'fired'. Because he was the source of income during the marriage, he may have to maintain it. Other things like alimony and balloon payments for length of marriage are also included.

Debt is a little different.
For example: my student loan debt is mine. when i marry my husband it stays mine and when we divorce, it is still mine.

What about say if both party gets a loan out together? will it be spilt 50/50? Of say the hunsband pays most of the loans off and now they spilt can the husband be like well I pay most of it off now is up to my wife to pay it.

It is my understanding that debt accumulated together is split 50/50 regardless of who paid "most" of it off unless it a different agreement has been drawn up and notarized (ie: a prenup).

This is why a few times a year some poor sap makes a thread asking for help because he co-signed a loan (which is a 50/50) with his girlfriend....now they broke-up and she isn't paying. Yes, who ever has given the loan will take money where ever it can be taken, but from what I understand, the court (during divorce proceedings) will deem it 50/50 if its in good standing.

She knows he's in debt, she lives with him rent-free, and she demands a pricer ring...??? I don't see how there's any possible confusion over who's right or wrong. Tell your friend to cut his losses and leave. Now. Sorry, but I can't help but cringe everytime I see/hear about one of these self-entitled broads. Too many people I know have gotten fucked over by these disgusting, beautiful creatures.

In regards to the Vancouver princess/Asian-girl thing, that whole debate gets blown up way too big out of proportion. It doesn't matter what race you are, how you were raised, whatever, whatever. Everyone can and should think for themselves. You're in Vancouver, and it's 2013. No one is forcing you to do anything. If anyone, especially your girlfriend, is forcing you to buy something you can't afford, tell her to take a hike. Or else it's only going to get worse from there.

/semi-rant.

Why is the guy even proposing in the first place. Shouldn't he take care of his debt first before bringing people into his problems?

How can one start a family properly when he's not finished paying off his debt?

I know the girl was pushing him, but he should stand his ground.

girl sounds like a keeper

I could see this going both ways...

for him- you could argue that he's fortunate to have girl friend that would stick with you even though your broke. there's a lot of guys with money in Vancouver.


for her - a 3K ring is kinda shitty, the price of gold and diamonds has gone up quite a bit in the past few years. 3k is not a lot of money. a ring is something that a girl can wear her whole life. 3K is like the cost of a mac book pro. if he was serious about her and spending the rest of his life with her then he should have saved up. some people save up for years to buy a ring.