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Old 09-20-2013, 12:02 PM   #1
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Massey Tunnel will be replaced by a bridge

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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – Premiers in BC have a history of dropping big news during their speeches at the Union of BC Municipalities convention, and Christy Clark has lived up to that.

“Today, I’m pleased to announced that starting in 2017, we will be breaking the worst bottleneck in the Lower Mainland by building a new bridge to replace the George Massey Tunnel,” announced Clark this morning.

The tunnel was built in the late 1950s.
The first thing that came to my mind is -- Crusty Clown better not make this a toll bridge.

I am generally in favour of user pays systems, so I didn't really have a problem with the Port Mann being the toll bridge that it is. With the Massey Tunnel replacement bridge, however, having a toll bridge would effectively become an unfair penalty to the Delta / Ladner / Tsawwassen resident since they pretty much have to come out to Richmond to conduct their regular daily businesses. The same thing did not occur in Surrey because Surrey is a well developed municipality itself, so residents can already obtain most (all?) of their basic services and needs without leaving Surrey. But that is not an option for those living in Delta / Ladner / Tsawwassen.

p.s. And if the replacement bridge is tolled, that means I won't be able to do any Pt Robert gas runs any more.
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I'm for it if there's accommodation for transit, like the #555 bus over the new Port Mann.

I used to take the #601 to Tssawassen when I was picking stuff up from Point Roberts, and the bottlenecks at both ends of the tunnel where there's no HOV lane were really annoying.
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How long will the run up to the bridge have to be?

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Thought I read somewhere that any new bridge being built will likely be tolled...

Wonder if there would be an exception just to please the Americans who take 99 downtown. Having to pay a toll (on top of getting raped for gas/clothes/food/alcohol the list goes on and on...) to visit our City may affect tourism, no?

As for Ladner, Tsawassen people - guess they would be forced to head south rather than north?
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I hope it gets tolled.. so it's "fair" for everybody in the GVRD.
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it WILL be tolled.... approx. 80,000 crossers a day... lol.. Liberals will have $$$ in their eyes.
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I can't see any new bridges being not tolled. People gotta cross. Government officials need to line their pockets.
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I agree that it seems a lot more likely for the new bridge to be tolled. But that's where my argument in post #1 comes in -- the Ladner and Tsawwassen residents are gonna get fxxked if that were allowed to happen.
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What's that pseudo-rule? if there are other options, it can/will be tolled....if it is the ONLY option, it won't be?

I think I read that somewhere, no? This is why the new Pitt River Bridge isn't tolled.

It most likely will be tolled because the Alex Fraser is free, which is lame because traffic sucks already. A lot of South Surrey and White Rock residents take the tunnel as well so that will just push more traffic to the AF.

I can attest that people avoid tolls....New West is a fucking traffic nightmare now that the Port Mann is tolled. There has been a dramatic increase to traffic along all the feeder routes to the Patullo Bridge....I wish I could find it now, but there was an article in the local paper with a bunch of stats that support what everyone has noted.

I'd like to see what would happen if the Province reduce the toll price...I think if it was cheaper usership would increase.
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I am 99.9% certain it will be a tolled bridge now.
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I really hope they don't put a toll on it but I won't be surprise if they do
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I bet the liberals will use the bridge as a selling point to get votes on the next provincial election. They will constantly be "deciding" if it will be tolled and after the election is over they have decided it will be a toll bridge.
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The first thing that came to my mind is -- Crusty Clown better not make this a toll bridge.

I am generally in favour of user pays systems, so I didn't really have a problem with the Port Mann being the toll bridge that it is. With the Massey Tunnel replacement bridge, however, having a toll bridge would effectively become an unfair penalty to the Delta / Ladner / Tsawwassen resident since they pretty much have to come out to Richmond to conduct their regular daily businesses. The same thing did not occur in Surrey because Surrey is a well developed municipality itself, so residents can already obtain most (all?) of their basic services and needs without leaving Surrey. But that is not an option for those living in Delta / Ladner / Tsawwassen.

p.s. And if the replacement bridge is tolled, that means I won't be able to do any Pt Robert gas runs any more.
lol WUT?

Just like the north of fraser folk told south fraser folk .. you got alternatives...

alex fraser to go to richmond
delta folk can cross into surrey


What I hope will not happen is the Richmond folk get a nice paved highway from steveston to vancouver that they dont have to pay dime for. just like the coquitlam folk don't have to pay for a good 20+ km of new paved highway.

Also I hope that they put up a toll system starting now with a toll of .25cents. Use that monies to pay for the bridge in 2017. instead of charging $4 in 2017.
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$5 each pass and 10yrs of slow downs due to construction $1 of tolls going to pay for the construction a $1 going to maintenance and $3 going to the toll collection company
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Also I hope that they put up a toll system starting now with a toll of .25cents. Use that monies to pay for the bridge in 2017. instead of charging $4 in 2017.
That is contingent on this government making decisions that aren't totally boneheaded.
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Damn, that looks a lot like the Alex Fraser Bridge.
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Wonder if there would be an exception just to please the Americans who take 99 downtown. Having to pay a toll (on top of getting raped for gas/clothes/food/alcohol the list goes on and on...) to visit our City may affect tourism, no?
No. Most major American cities have tolled roads and/or bridges of some sort. Doesn't seem to affect their tourism. A $10 toll on the Coquihalla didn't affect tourism.

Americans going to Whistler to drop $300+/day on accommodations, food, lift tickets, etc., is not going to stay away because they have to pay a $3 toll each way.

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Of course it'll be tolled.

Honestly, though, they should have done this before the Highway1 project. Going over the Port Mann was bad, true enough, but the Massey Tunnel is pure hell. I used to do it everyday and I haaaaaaaaaaaaaated it. Even going the Alex Fraser route isn't much faster, thanks to that one random red light intersection.
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I had a taste of that shitty drive the other day. I usually go Alex Fraser on the way home from US shopping, but went through Massey instead. Worst decision ever. I don't know how people do it.
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They better damn toll this bridge...and no i don't use it but hey...its fair right...i think oak and knight are getting pretty old as well...blow it up and build a new one...and you guessed it...toll it...
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Even going the Alex Fraser route isn't much faster, thanks to that one random red light intersection.
Seriously though, that gets me every time. There must have been another way.
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I had a taste of that shitty drive the other day. I usually go Alex Fraser on the way home from US shopping, but went through Massey instead. Worst decision ever. I don't know how people do it.
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