SFU Arts/Business

[Gridlock]

I was really hoping you'd actually choose "MitsubishiNintendo". I chose it for you special.

[RevYouUp]

Originally Posted by masterroshi

He was in Kwantlen after it was a university. He just didnt get the grades to transfer. He worked really hard, was always studying yet didnt get in. I dont want to be in the same situation.
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If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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[tiger_handheld]

kwantlen business is not marked on a curve.

source- former student.

[zetazeta]

Originally Posted by RevYouUp

If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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Very true in regards to the learning experience of smaller classes. Some of my favourite classes (and also one's I learned the most) were 0 people and really discussion based instead of just 2 hours of a professor presenting.

SADLY... (especially in business), the name of your school has a much bigger impact for employers than how much you learned during your degree. There are the stellar students that excel regardless of which school they graduated from, but for many students, the university you graduate from can possibly limit your opportunities.

For example, in BC, one of the world's top management consulting firms only recruits from UBC. McKinsey, one of the top consulting firm along with BCG and Bain, does not host any recruiting events for other post secondary institutions in BC. (Applying to McKinsey | Canada).

They came to SFU 2-3 years ago to "test the waters" and invited the top 10 students in the business program for a dinner (and extended interviews for select students from the dinner). If I recall correctly, every single student had a 4.0+ GPA (out of 4.33) and only 3-4 made it to the interview and none of which passed that 1st round. After that, they said the calibre of students at SFU was not high enough and they would not be back for at least a few years.

This is just one example, but it shows why I would personally pick UBC (and SFU 2nd) over other options. It opens a lot more doors career wise, and their alumni network is much more established across multiple industries compared to other post secondary institutions in BC. Is it possible for you to bust ass and try to boost your average to the 90's and apply for Sauder/Beedie?

You also mentioned wanting to be a CA... let's just say the big 4 recruit almost twice as many students from UBC than SFU. Also, I believe 90%+ of new hires at the big4 are from UBC DAP, UBC and SFU.... and I assume it must be pretty hard to get hired from other post secondary institutions.

[Selanne_200]

Originally Posted by masterroshi

Lets just say I only get into arts and major in economics, do you think there are any goof careers available if I get an arts degree? My goal is to become a CA and the site says that I can have any degree as long as I take the required courses, so if I get an arts degree instead of business, would that decrease my career oppurtunites?
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If your goal is to become a CA (Well more technically a CPA now), you might want to make sure you get into business as opposed to arts. I'm not sure for SFU but at UBC, upper level business courses (which are required in your old CASB professional prep) are reserved for COMM students so you would not be able to fulfill your requirements as an Arts student. In addition, upon graduation, most if not all firms would require to have completed your CASB prep and going straight into the professional program IE: CA modules

[Selanne_200]

Originally Posted by zetazeta

Very true in regards to the learning experience of smaller classes. Some of my favourite classes (and also one's I learned the most) were 0 people and really discussion based instead of just 2 hours of a professor presenting.

SADLY... (especially in business), the name of your school has a much bigger impact for employers than how much you learned during your degree. There are the stellar students that excel regardless of which school they graduated from, but for many students, the university you graduate from can possibly limit your opportunities.

For example, in BC, one of the world's top management consulting firms only recruits from UBC. McKinsey, one of the top consulting firm along with BCG and Bain, does not host any recruiting events for other post secondary institutions in BC. (Applying to McKinsey | Canada).

They came to SFU 2-3 years ago to "test the waters" and invited the top 10 students in the business program for a dinner (and extended interviews for select students from the dinner). If I recall correctly, every single student had a 4.0+ GPA (out of 4.33) and only 3-4 made it to the interview and none of which passed that 1st round. After that, they said the calibre of students at SFU was not high enough and they would not be back for at least a few years.

This is just one example, but it shows why I would personally pick UBC (and SFU 2nd) over other options. It opens a lot more doors career wise, and their alumni network is much more established across multiple industries compared to other post secondary institutions in BC. Is it possible for you to bust ass and try to boost your average to the 90's and apply for Sauder/Beedie?

You also mentioned wanting to be a CA... let's just say the big 4 recruit almost twice as many students from UBC than SFU. Also, I believe 90%+ of new hires at the big4 are from UBC DAP, UBC and SFU.... and I assume it must be pretty hard to get hired from other post secondary institutions.

While the numbers you gave are true to a large extend in terms of recruiting, I believe the biggest factor isn't the name of the school. During recruiting season, firms receive a HUGE amount of applications and only way for you to stand out and receive an invitation for interview is through networking. Now why is it that UBC and SFU grads make up for the largest portion of hire? That's because there are more resources for business students at these school to connect with firm reps. For example, during a accounting firm industry event, UBC and SFU students get their own time slot but every other schools are all cramped into one time slot named "All other school"
So, if you're in a smaller school, start early to connect with firm reps and make yourself known to them, don't limit yourself to events hosted at your school only but regularly check different firm's websites

[masterroshi]

Originally Posted by Selanne_200

If your goal is to become a CA (Well more technically a CPA now), you might want to make sure you get into business as opposed to arts. I'm not sure for SFU but at UBC, upper level business courses (which are required in your old CASB professional prep) are reserved for COMM students so you would not be able to fulfill your requirements as an Arts student. In addition, upon graduation, most if not all firms would require to have completed your CASB prep and going straight into the professional program IE: CA modules

I just posted a thread about the same thing, although that was pointless since I did some research and found out that the CPA insitute in BC just started offering a CPA PREP coursr that offers the pre-requisite courses for students who didnt get a business degree and didnt major in accounting.
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[masterroshi]

Originally Posted by RevYouUp

If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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What do you think would be an optimal CGPA for business?
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[kunoman1]

As high as you can get it honestly, strive for excellence yo

-SFU Business

[anabolichalo23]

i go to sfu

[zetazeta]

Originally Posted by Selanne_200

While the numbers you gave are true to a large extend in terms of recruiting, I believe the biggest factor isn't the name of the school. During recruiting season, firms receive a HUGE amount of applications and only way for you to stand out and receive an invitation for interview is through networking. Now why is it that UBC and SFU grads make up for the largest portion of hire? That's because there are more resources for business students at these school to connect with firm reps. For example, during a accounting firm industry event, UBC and SFU students get their own time slot but every other schools are all cramped into one time slot named "All other school"
So, if you're in a smaller school, start early to connect with firm reps and make yourself known to them, don't limit yourself to events hosted at your school only but regularly check different firm's websites

Definitely agree on the part about networking early and start building that connection. Regardless of which school you attend, building a good connection from the get-go is recommended!

Essentially, UBC and SFU are the target schools that the big4 recruit from and your chances are diminished if you come from another institution. There are events that are open to all students in BC (such as summer office tours iirc), but there are also many exclusive events hosted just for UBC/UBC DAP/SFU. Without access to these events, it is much harder to meet reps and establish a good connection. I've heard that twitter has been recommended as a great means of connecting to the firm's campus recruiters.

In summary, UBC and to a less extent, SFU, offer much more opportunities (both networking and job postings) than other post secondary alternatives which can lead to more career options or higher chances in getting into certain industries/companies.

Edit: check out Reddit/r/Accounting There are great guides and people who work in big4 to help you out, whether it be questions, advice or resume critiquing.

[Selanne_200]

Originally Posted by masterroshi

I just posted a thread about the same thing, although that was pointless since I did some research and found out that the CPA insitute in BC just started offering a CPA PREP coursr that offers the pre-requisite courses for students who didnt get a business degree and didnt major in accounting.
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They've always had it and CASB did as well, but if you're certain that the CPA route is for you and you're already in university, why pay again when you finish your degree and then the CPA PREP? And remember, most if not all firms would expect you to finish all the requirements for CPA PREP before they would hire you so that's why hirings are always for BBA,BCOM, DAP students and not BA typically.

[Selanne_200]

Originally Posted by masterroshi

What do you think would be an optimal CGPA for business?
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For transfer into business, I would say your CGPA would have to be around 3.4 and your CORE (ie business courses) to be even higher to have a definite competitive advantage.

[RevYouUp]

I don't really care for the big 4, so I'm fine with staying at kwantlen for now. Maybe I'll change my mind later
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[masterroshi]

Originally Posted by Selanne_200

For transfer into business, I would say your CGPA would have to be around 3.4 and your CORE (ie business courses) to be even higher to have a definite competitive advantage.

How much higher?
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[Selanne_200]

There is no definite number, and I believe SFU isn't as strict on this, but extra circulars also plays a big part. From what I've heard though, you would probably want your core GPA to be around 3.7 to be highly competitive

[SpeedStars]

Originally Posted by RevYouUp

If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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Very true statement. Friend is in SFU for the prestige that follows it...barely even passing . Also, BCIT is great if you want to get into business. However, I've heard the workload is insane
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[masterroshi]

Originally Posted by Selanne_200

There is no definite number, and I believe SFU isn't as strict on this, but extra circulars also plays a big part. From what I've heard though, you would probably want your core GPA to be around 3.7 to be highly competitive

What do you suggest to do as extra curri ulars?
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[masterroshi]

Originally Posted by RevYouUp

If you don't think you can get good enough grades to transfer to SFU/UBC then you shouldn't be at SFU or UBC. It's pretty easy to transfer to any faculty other than business from another school. I think for most faculties you only need a 2.7-3.0 CGPA to get in. I hope you're not going to SFU/UBC only because they are prestigious. Many people do so and end up there doing poorly with a low 2.0 GPA and wasting their time. I am currently at Kwantlen doing my BBA and I am enjoying it over my time at SFU. I really like how the classes are small and how you can receive support from the professors ASAP, because of this my grades are much better than the grades I had at SFU. With my current GPA I'm pretty sure I can transfer to SFU or UBC business with no problem, but I'm not sure if I will anytime soon because I'm enjoying my learning experience at Kwantlen. I don't really care where I graduate anymore.
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How is Kwamtlen? Is the work load ok or insane? Complex material? Is it possible to achieve a 3.7 GPA with decent effort?
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[masterroshi]

Originally Posted by masterroshi

What do you suggest to do as extra curri ulars?
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Extra curricualars*
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[masterroshi]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

You're a little younger, but Kwantlen Polytechnic University was once Kwantlen University College. Likewise, University of the Fraser Valley was once University College of the Fraser Valley. The Ministry of Advanced Education summarily 'upgraded' several of the university colleges to universities because this status affects course structures, and thus inter-institution transfers. In the past, Anatomy and Physiology at UBC would have learning objectives significantly dissimilar from Anatomy and Physiology at Kwantlen. Thus, your cousins Kwantlen A&P would not fulfill the A&P prerequisite for UBC Med. By turning institutions like Kwantlen and UFV into universities the course structures were made much more similar and earned credits became more easily transferable to other universities. Consult closely with the BC Transfer guide when registering for courses and it's unlikely you'll have any issue, at this point. I have friends who experienced some minor difficulties transferring in the university college era, but in the university era none of my friends have had any issue.

What programs did they transfer to?
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[Purely]

Originally Posted by Selanne_200

For transfer into business, I would say your CGPA would have to be around 3.4 and your CORE (ie business courses) to be even higher to have a definite competitive advantage.

3.4 is way too high... I believe its slightly above 3.0
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[Purely]

For sfu arts to beedie
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[Selanne_200]

I'm not too sure about Beedie but sauder for sure 3.0 is way too low
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[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by masterroshi

What programs did they transfer to?
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Kwantlen History to SFU History.
Kwanten Poli Sci to UBC Poli Sci (eventually accepted to UBC Law).
Kwantlen Psyc to SFU Psyc.
Kwantlen BBA to SFU BBA.
Kwantlen Psyc to SFU BBA.