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10-16-2013, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Timpo  It is a Street Tire.
Pirelli P-ZERO Trofeo R   | From Pirelli's website: P Zero™ Trofeo R - The track is your road.
An innovative ultra-low profile tyre, with asymmetric tread pattern.
Designed for racetrack driving on dry asphalt.
Specific for racetrack driving, it is approved for road use, enabling travel to the track. In the event of very wet asphalt, with the risk of aquaplaning, prudent driving at reduced speed is recommended.
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10-16-2013, 08:41 AM
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Compare to ZL1, the Z28 is 300 lbs lighter.
Apparently Z28 pulls 1.05G at corner too.
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10-16-2013, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by lowside67 From Pirelli's website:
P Zero™ Trofeo R - The track is your road.
An innovative ultra-low profile tyre, with asymmetric tread pattern.
Designed for racetrack driving on dry asphalt.
Specific for racetrack driving, it is approved for road use, enabling travel to the track. In the event of very wet asphalt, with the risk of aquaplaning, prudent driving at reduced speed is recommended. | yeah that's what I said, you can use it on the street  | |
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10-16-2013, 09:10 AM
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No... you said it was a street tire. It is a DOT approved (and therefore street legal) RACE TIRE DESIGNED FOR THE RACE TRACK. Technically it is an "R-compound" (you probably dont know that term, it doesnt apply to hardparking or GTR wanking, but if you did any actual racing you'd know what it meant).
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10-16-2013, 10:28 AM
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ok so how can that tire be approved for road use?
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10-16-2013, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lowside67 No... you said it was a street tire. It is a DOT approved (and therefore street legal) RACE TIRE DESIGNED FOR THE RACE TRACK. Technically it is an "R-compound" (you probably dont know that term, it doesnt apply to hardparking or GTR wanking, but if you did any actual racing you'd know what it meant). | ok I found this link.
"Pirelli’s D.O.T. Approved State-of-the-Art Track Tire for Serious Driving Enthusiasts" P Zero? Trofeo ? Pirelli?s D.O.T. Approved State-of-the-Art Track Tire for Serious Driving Enthusiasts | |
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10-16-2013, 10:46 AM
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and now we're back from our commercial break with our sponsor Pirelli Trofeo R. Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman-19 Even started raining on the one part of the track and it got a little wild for the driver. Wonder what tires were on it, pulling over a G in the corners, definitely not a street tire. |
Al Oppenheiser stated:
“One of the challenges of testing at the ‘Ring is that the track is so long that conditions can change radically in a single lap,” said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer, in a release. “Adam Dean, the development driver for Z/28, did a heroic job driving in deteriorating conditions. Based on telemetry data from our test sessions, we know the Z/28 can be as much as six seconds faster on a dry track.”
Does this mean the Z/28 could potentially run 7:31.xx ?
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10-16-2013, 11:06 AM
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even at 7:31, the GT-R will still be faster
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10-16-2013, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceman-19 Even started raining on the one part of the track and it got a little wild for the driver. Wonder what tires were on it, pulling over a G in the corners, definitely not a street tire. | oh fuck that shit
The Camaero Z28 is only pulling 1.05G.
Viper ACR was pulling 1.5G because the rear wing created enough downforce to do so.
Porsche 962 Dauer and Caparo T1 could both pull 3.0G or so and they're both street legal.
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10-16-2013, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Timpo oh but compare to the GT-R it's not that fast so meh,
7:18.6 Nissan GT-R |
Yup, so much slower. 19 seconds over a period of 7 and a half minutes. I'd like to see you notice the difference.
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10-16-2013, 12:21 PM
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And like I said, NOT ON A STREET TIRE.
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10-16-2013, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Timpo ok so how can that tire be approved for road use? | I don't know, tell me... why is this legal? 
You seem to always talk so much shit like you know everything, when infact you know very little. It gets annoying after a while.
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10-16-2013, 12:31 PM
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^ how is that tire relevant to the one on Camaro?
So what you're saying is that GM is selling a Camaro with non road legal tires.
The question is, will you get pulled over if you had that P Zero on Camaro. Is it illegal to drive it on the street?
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10-16-2013, 12:41 PM
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GM won't sell the Camaro z/28 with those tires.
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10-16-2013, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Timpo ^ how is that tire relevant to the one on Camaro?
So what you're saying is that GM is selling a Camaro with non road legal tires.
The question is, will you get pulled over if you had that P Zero on Camaro. Is it illegal to drive it on the street? | How is it comparable? Well you're comparing the GTR to the Camaro. The GTR time was not done on DOT tires. The Camaro was. You ask "how can a tire like that be road legal" well it is. Maybe not the best tire for the road but it is infact road legal.
The "question is".. yes it is ROAD LEGAL. That's what DOT approved means. So no, it's not illegal. But like Iceman said, they won't sell it with those. They just did it on the ring with these tires to say it was done on a "DOT" tire. If they had done it on a full slick that time would be 20-30 seconds, maybe even more, lower.
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10-16-2013, 03:58 PM
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^ i sense that your jimmies have been rustled
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10-16-2013, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by falcon How is it comparable? Well you're comparing the GTR to the Camaro. The GTR time was not done on DOT tires. The Camaro was. You ask "how can a tire like that be road legal" well it is. Maybe not the best tire for the road but it is infact road legal.
The "question is".. yes it is ROAD LEGAL. That's what DOT approved means. So no, it's not illegal. But like Iceman said, they won't sell it with those. They just did it on the ring with these tires to say it was done on a "DOT" tire. If they had done it on a full slick that time would be 20-30 seconds, maybe even more, lower. | as far as i know, GT-R was never tested on R compound and Nissan's official times have always been stock GT-R.
ok so those tires not DOT approved? P Zero? Trofeo ? Pirelli?s D.O.T. Approved State-of-the-Art Track Tire for Serious Driving Enthusiasts
what's the difference then?
How do you know GM won't sell with those tires?
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10-16-2013, 04:22 PM
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Jesus fuck timpo. They are DOT approved, but they are a specialty mainly race tire. They even STATE this. Yes, DOT and road legal, but built for RACING. They wouldn't sell them on a mass production cars simply because of liability reasons, let alone GM bean counters.
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10-16-2013, 04:33 PM
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^ I don't see why they wouldn't sell this with the car. They are DOT legal track tires much like the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup +/ZP/N Spec. It wears like eraser, it doesn't work in the rain or cold but they come standard on the GT2, GT2RS, GT3, GT3RS, Corvette ZR-1 (2012), Corvette Z06 (2013)....
Those are mass production cars as well. The Z/28 is a track focused edition so I don't see why not. People should be well aware what they are getting into when they buy these kind of performance cars.
I think they should and most likely will sell with these tires...
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10-16-2013, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceman-19 Jesus fuck timpo. They are DOT approved, but they are a specialty mainly race tire. They even STATE this. Yes, DOT and road legal, but built for RACING. They wouldn't sell them on a mass production cars simply because of liability reasons, let alone GM bean counters. | How would that be a libility issue if it's approved by DOT?
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10-16-2013, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JoshuaWong ^ I don't see why they wouldn't sell this with the car. They are DOT legal track tires much like the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup +/ZP/N Spec. It wears like eraser, it doesn't work in the rain or cold but they come standard on the GT2, GT2RS, GT3, GT3RS, Corvette ZR-1 (2012), Corvette Z06 (2013)....
Those are mass production cars as well. The Z/28 is a track focused edition so I don't see why not. People should be well aware what they are getting into when they buy these kind of performance cars.
I think they should and most likely will sell with these tires... | yeah I know
Lotus Exige S comes with Yokohama Advan A048.
Which is considered as DOT Approved Race Tire. Advan A048 Performance Tires | Yokohama Tire Corp.   | |
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10-16-2013, 09:23 PM
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Because its a fucking LOTUS TIMPO. The Ford GT500 has 640hp and can go 200mph with a factory warrenty. It rocks widely regarded as "lousy" Goodyears. The MAJOR car markers have deals with different tire brands. They look at the bottom line. Lotus is small, super small compared to GM. You don't get it, and never will.
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10-16-2013, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JoshuaWong ^ I don't see why they wouldn't sell this with the car. They are DOT legal track tires much like the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup +/ZP/N Spec. It wears like eraser, it doesn't work in the rain or cold but they come standard on the GT2, GT2RS, GT3, GT3RS, Corvette ZR-1 (2012), Corvette Z06 (2013)....
Those are mass production cars as well. The Z/28 is a track focused edition so I don't see why not. People should be well aware what they are getting into when they buy these kind of performance cars.
I think they should and most likely will sell with these tires... | There is nothing MASS production about any of the cars you listed. The Z06 probably sells more then all combined, so its the exception.
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10-16-2013, 09:42 PM
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GM would probably sell you those tires on the Z28 as a special order from the factory.
The mass part has nothing to do with mass-production of vehicles. A production vehicle is short for mass-production vehicle. Any car made on a production line that isn't a prototype or concept is considered a production car. There is no minimum/maximum on the amount of cars produced that classifieds it as a production car. Took google 0.18 seconds to figure that one out.
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10-16-2013, 09:49 PM
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^all of those gets built along side the lower tamer counterparts on the same assembly line, whats not mass production about that? A Zonda on the other hand is not mass production. But yeah, in that case I think they will at least have it as a performance option as they did on the Z06/ZR1.
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