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Timpo 10-23-2013 06:54 AM

Honda S660
 
658 cc DOHC Inline-3 turbo
64hp/6,000rpm
77lb-ft/2,600rpm

Honda is evaluating 1.0L engine for overseas market
I guess it'll be called S1000?

http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/616564.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/616714.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/616717.jpg
http://image.news.livedoor.com/newsi...5391ab73ce.jpg

thumper 10-23-2013 07:16 AM

is this classfied in japan as a kei car, or is it bigger?

at 77 ft-lbs of torque... can this car even pull it's own weight?

how much does it weigh?

SpeedStars 10-23-2013 07:53 AM

not gonna make it in NA. Only if it were slightly bigger and at least had a 2.0... The FRS may finally have some competition
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N8 10-23-2013 08:29 AM

also make it RWD

123654123 10-23-2013 08:56 AM

hope its an MR layout
looks like its gonna be a mini nsx like the honda beat

thumper 10-23-2013 10:08 AM

slightly off topic: why did nissan stop building the silvia? if there was a direct competitor available against the toyobaru it would have been the silvia...

bcrdukes 10-23-2013 10:14 AM

I prefer the classic Honda S600.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...daS600-001.jpg

Timpo 10-23-2013 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumper (Post 8345154)
is this classfied in japan as a kei car, or is it bigger?

at 77 ft-lbs of torque... can this car even pull it's own weight?

how much does it weigh?

I don't know how much it weights, but yes it is a kei car.

Yodamaster 10-23-2013 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumper (Post 8345256)
slightly off topic: why did nissan stop building the silvia? if there was a direct competitor available against the toyobaru it would have been the silvia...

Change in management.

Nissan has lost a lot of ground in terms of what enthusiasts want vs. what they are producing for the soccer moms. The GTR is great, but it's still a car many cannot afford, the 370z is just a G37 with an even uglier body.

People want a 240z in a world where producing such a car is difficult due to strict regulations, Toyota and Subaru have proven that it's possible, but it doesn't change the fact that Nissan loves to re-use chassis', and all of their current chassis' are large and heavy. Designing a car from scratch and tooling a factory to produce such a car is an expensive and time consuming venture, I wish they'd do it, but it doesn't seem likely.

Timpo 10-23-2013 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumper (Post 8345154)
is this classfied in japan as a kei car, or is it bigger?

at 77 ft-lbs of torque... can this car even pull it's own weight?

how much does it weigh?

oh and it can pull its own weight

77lb-ft is shit load of torque for a kei car...

just for comparison:

Honda N-One
0.66L Inline-3
57hp/7,300rpm, 47lb-ft/3,500rpm
http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/imag...gallery_16.jpg

Suzuki Twin
0.66L Inline-3
43hp/5,500rpm, 41lb-ft/3,500rpm
http://www.carsensor.net/CSphoto/cat...1_M001_1_L.jpg

Nissan Days
0.66L Inline-3
49hp/6,500rpm, 43lb-ft/5,000rpm
http://clicccar.com/wp-content/uploa...06/dayz_02.jpg

thumper 10-23-2013 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yodamaster (Post 8345286)
Change in management.

Nissan has lost a lot of ground in terms of what enthusiasts want vs. what they are producing for the soccer moms. The GTR is great, but it's still a car many cannot afford, the 370z is just a G37 with an even uglier body.

People want a 240z in a world where producing such a car is difficult due to strict regulations, Toyota and Subaru have proven that it's possible, but it doesn't change the fact that Nissan loves to re-use chassis', and all of their current chassis' are large and heavy. Designing a car from scratch and tooling a factory to produce such a car is an expensive and time consuming venture, I wish they'd do it, but it doesn't seem likely.

that sucks. all i could find was some abomination based on the juke platform with a 1.6turbo FWD powertrain. no no no hell no.

Akinari 10-23-2013 09:36 PM

There's no way any kei-car will be successful in North America, period. It doesn't make financial sense for any Japanese automaker to bring them over either.

Timpo 10-23-2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akinari (Post 8345738)
There's no way any kei-car will be successful in North America, period. It doesn't make financial sense for any Japanese automaker to bring them over either.

huh? :suspicious:

Smart Fortwo
0-60mph: 19.5 seconds

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...71892.1-lg.jpg

Timpo 10-23-2013 09:50 PM

If you're talking about Accelration, Suzuki Cappucino was already faster than 1989 Eunos Roadster (Mazda Miata)

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/imag...ar-49720_6.jpg

Jmac 10-23-2013 09:50 PM

There's that Scion bubble, too.

Timpo 10-23-2013 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmac (Post 8345754)
There's that Scion bubble, too.

what's scion bubble? iq?

Timpo 10-23-2013 09:59 PM

The iQ is actually too big to be a kei car. It's pretty big and has 1.3L(I think?) engine too, instead of other kei cars(360-660cc)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/...e2d4a19f_o.jpg

Timpo 10-23-2013 10:19 PM

I can see Kei cars being successful in North America.

More people are getting conscious about gas mileage, and kei cars are CHEAP. They can be bought from $7,500-$8,000 range.

Sure, you can argue they're slow and ugly, however Smart car was not exactly a good looking/fast car either.
Also kei cars can carry more people, luggage, get better gas mileage than smart car too.

Daihatsu Cocoa
http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/lineup/mir...ain_img_01.jpg

Honda N Box
http://www.newautosnews.com/wp-conte...s-JDM-2012.jpg

Daihatsu Move
http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/lineup/mov...ain_img_01.jpg

Toyota Pixis
http://toyota.jp/~/media/Images/Carl...mainvisual.jpg

Mazda AZ-Offroad
http://www.az-off.mazda.co.jp/img/az_off-top.jpg

Subaru Stella
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Hb4teCR8wg...aru+Stella.jpg

Honda N One
http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-cont...d-1024x640.jpg

Mitsubishi Minicab Camper
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/m...ndex_h1_01.jpg

Nissan Moco
http://response.jp/imgs/feed_l/338530.jpg

Mazda Flair
http://freakwheel.com/wp-content/upl...-Wallpaper.jpg

Manic! 10-23-2013 10:49 PM

how would you fit 4 North Americans in a 4 door Kei car? add luggage you just added upwords of a 1000 pounds. Good luck going up hill with that.

Ikkaku 10-23-2013 10:52 PM

it'll work for flat areas like the praries lol

xXSupa 10-23-2013 10:53 PM

@2 above: LOL

In addition to that, the Kei cars look so light and fragile. I feel like if they were to get into a serious accident, the occupants of the car are very unlikely to survive. I'm ignorant on this topic, but how is the safety for Kei cars?

Timpo 10-23-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSupa (Post 8345821)
@2 above: LOL

In addition to that, the Kei cars look so light and fragile. I feel like if they were to get into a serious accident, the occupants of the car are very unlikely to survive. I'm ignorant on this topic, but how is the safety for Kei cars?

The modern kei cars are not bad. Japan made this standard that kei cars must be just as safe as normal cars.

They are safe enough to pass North American regulations.
In fact, Mitsubishi i is actually a kei car in Japan.
In North America, 660cc engine was replaced with electric motor(Mitsubishi i-Miev), but chassis/platform are all identical.

http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200604/04...06_2023199.jpg

wstce92 10-24-2013 01:38 AM

cvt? get your shit together Honda, you make an excellent 6spd

v_tec 10-24-2013 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstce92 (Post 8345885)
cvt? get your shit together Honda, you made an excellent 6spd

Corrected.

thumper 10-24-2013 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8345824)
The modern kei cars are not bad. Japan made this standard that kei cars must be just as safe as normal cars.

They are safe enough to pass North American regulations.
In fact, Mitsubishi i is actually a kei car in Japan.
In North America, 660cc engine was replaced with electric motor(Mitsubishi i-Miev), but chassis/platform are all identical.

not quite correct. the north american version of the japanese i-miev is larger:

Mitsubishi i-MiEV - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:

The U.S.-only version is enlarged, has redesigned front and rear bumpers,[133] and includes more features than the Japanese and European versions in order to meet crash standards, government mandates, and the preferences of the U.S. consumers. The American version is 285 millimetres (11.2 in) longer than the Japanese version, 110 millimetres (4.3 in) wider,[4] and slightly taller. It also has advanced airbags and the mandated tire-pressure monitoring system (TPMS), has an upgraded interior and features more accessories.


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