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oh china.. u so funny

Japan, South Korean military planes defy China's new defence zone

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TOKYO/SEOUL: Japanese and South Korean military aircraft flew through disputed air space over the East China Sea without informing China, officials said on Thursday, challenging a new Chinese air defence zone that has increased regional tensions and sparked concerns of an unintended clash.

The move came after Tokyo's close ally Washington defied China's demand that airplanes flying through its unilaterally announced zone identify themselves to Chinese authorities, flying two unarmed B-52 bombers over the islands on Tuesday without informing Beijing.

Tensions have ratcheted up since Beijing's weekend announcement of the zone that includes the skies over islands at the heart of a feud between Japan and China, and its demand that planes flying in the area first notify Chinese authorities.

Japan and the United States have sharply criticized the move, which some experts said was aimed not only at chipping away at Tokyo's control of the islands, known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China, but also at challenging US dominance in the region.

The United States does not take a position on the sovereignty of the islands but recognizes Tokyo's administrative control and has assured Japan that the US-Japan security pact covers them.

The developments are expected to dominate US vice president Joe Biden's visit to Japan, China and South Korea next week.

Also on Thursday, China rejected South Korea's demand for the repeal of the zone, but appeared to soften its demand that commercial aircraft tell its military authorities of any plans to transit the area. Japan's two biggest airlines have already begun defying that order.

"The East China Sea Air Defence Identification zone is not aimed at normal international flights. We hope that relevant countries' airlines can proactively cooperate, so there is more order and safety for flights," China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters.

Japan's chief cabinet secretary Yoshihide Suga said naval ships and patrol planes have been operating in the East China Sea and would continue to do so.

"They are carrying out surveillance activity as before in the East China Sea, including the zone," Suga told a news conference, adding there has been no particular response from China. "We are not going to change this (activity) out of consideration to China," he added.

BEIJING REJECTS SEOUL'S DEMAND

A South Korean official also said a navy reconnaissance plane had flown over a submerged rock in the area claimed by both Beijing and Seoul, and that the flights would continue.

The rock, called Ieodo in Korea and Suyan Rock in China, is controlled by South Korea, which maintains a maritime research station built on it.

Asked about the South Korean flight, Chinese spokesman Qin only said that Beijing was aware of it.

South Korea's reaction to Beijing's weekend declaration has been somewhat muted, reflecting its efforts to forge closer ties with China and a chill in relations with Japan.

On Thursday, however, Seoul's vice defence minister told a senior Chinese military official that the move to impose the new rules created military tension in the region and called on Beijing to rectify the zone

"The Chinese reaction was that they will not be accepting the (South) Korean side's demand," Defence Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok told reporters after talks between Vice Defence Minister Baek Seung-joo and Wang Guanzhong, the deputy chief of general staff of the Chinese People's Liberation Army.

Asked if China would heed Japanese calls to revoke the air defence zone, China's Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said Tokyo had implemented its own zone in 1969 and blamed it for raising tensions with its double standards.

"Japan consistently blames others and smears the name of other countries but never examines its own conduct," Yang said in a statement posted on the ministry's website after a press briefing that was closed to foreign reporters.

"If they want it revoked, then we would ask that Japan first revoke its own air defence identification zone and China will reconsider it after 44 years," Yang said.

Japan says it only requires planes headed for its territorial air space to notify authorities, not those merely transiting through its air defence identification zone.

In the ongoing war of words, the policy panel of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's Liberal Democratic Party approved a resolution on Thursday demanding China rescind the new air defence zone, saying the unilateral move reflected "unreasonable expansionism". But the resolution dropped a more inflammatory reference to "premodern and imperialist expansionism" contained in an earlier draft.

Japan, South Korean military planes defy China's new defence zone - The Times of India

China and Japan should settle this dispute the old fashioned way: rock, paper, scissors.
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Originally Posted by tool001 (Post 8371144)

oh china.. u so funny

Japan, South Korean military planes defy China's new defence zone

Japan, South Korean military planes defy China's new defence zone - The Times of India

South Korea and Japan wouldn't dare to provoke if they weren't America's lapdog.

So basically China declears a new flight zone that no ones follow its insturctions which makes it uesless........

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Originally Posted by tool001 (Post 8369901)

imo.. china is just trying to see how much it can get away with.

...isn't that everyone? everyone at every level is always testing the boundaries to see what they can get away with.

as long as one person plays by that rule, then it forces EVERYONE to play by that rule.

give an inch, take a mile.

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Originally Posted by Ferra (Post 8369940)

It is a show of dominance
when you start being soft and easy-going, other people/countries will start encroaching on your rights and resources
"Don't take a step back because the other side will just take a step forward" kind of mentality

exactly.

it's human nature, from the street gangs, to larger syndicates.... governments, police forces, banking industry... every industry. every body of human organization plays by those rules.

if you take one step back, they'll take one step forward.

i just hope there won't be another incident like when that US spyplane had an in-flight collision with a CLAAF fighter jet, or the time the USSR shot down the korean air airliner.

China chases US, Japanese planes in air zone
PressTV - China chases US, Japanese planes in air zone

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The Chinese Air Force spokesman, Col. Shen Jinke, said Chinese warplanes had been scrambled to identify US surveillance aircraft and several Japanese planes crossing through the zone.

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People need to understand something: 1. It's every country's right to draw up a ADIZ, the US is the first country to do so. 2. It is still international airspace so you can't shoot down aircraft then. 3. Because it is international airspace, every country can fly through, you just need to id yourself to the country in question. You can obviously not do so because it is still international airspace but then the host country will scramble fighter jets to intercept you. 4. It's not a big deal at all like the media spinning it to be, it is NOT a No-Fly Zone.

do you not understand the problem is that they extended into other countries ADIZ?

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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp (Post 8371235)

So basically China declears a new flight zone that no ones follow its insturctions which makes it uesless........

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Originally Posted by drunkhomer (Post 8372085)

From what I understand (which could be inaccurate or just plain wrong), the difference between other countries' ADIZ and the one that China is drawing up now is, with other ADIZ, there is rarely ever any overlap or disputed areas included in it. Additionally, the "host country" will only ask planes entering the ADIZ to respond to their radio signals. If the hose country thinks the plane is suspicious, they might take additional action, whatever that may be.

In the case of China's recently declared ADIZ, they are making the extra (and unprecedented?) demand that flights passing through the zone submit their flight plans to the Chinese authorities. Furthermore, with the way the ADIZ is drawn, it is literally (and unilaterally) trying to force a LOT of air traffic going to and from Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. to comply with their flight plan submission demand even though those planes will never actually enter into Chinese air space. This is probably one of the major sticking points that is ticking off Korea and Japan. Interestingly, the Taiwanese president, whose policies are seemingly very pro-Mainland China, has asked the Taiwanese airlines to comply with the Mainland's request. (IMO, he is practically asking for political suicide... :facepalm: )

Given how things have progressed, I'd say that the ADIZ has been nothing short of a national embarrassment for the Mainland Chinese government thus far. The US, Japan, and Korea have all blatantly and collectively given China a big "FUCK YOU" right in its face by flying military planes through the ADIZ, so the ball is back in China's court now. I personally don't see very many good options for China at all. They can't really escalate the situation militarily because neither their air nor navy strength is any match against Korea and especially Japan. They can't do nothing because their previous posturing has already riled up the illogical (and I dare say idiotic) patriotism within the country, and they would lose credibility on the international stage.

Once again, it seemed like that they had acted before they had everything thought out, and it is coming back to bite them.