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Old 11-26-2013, 01:09 PM   #1
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US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone

surprised that no one posted this,, recently china declared new air defence zone, and demanded all aircraft have to follow its guidelines passing through mentioned air zones..


us up the ante by flying 2 bombers ,,calling China's bluff..


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The US has flown two B-52 bombers over disputed islands in the East China Sea in defiance of new Chinese air defence rules, officials say.

China set up its "air defence identification zone" on Saturday insisting that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".

A Pentagon spokesman said the planes had followed "normal procedures".

The islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are a source of rising tension between the two nations.

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Japan has dismissed the Chinese defence zone as "not valid at all" and two of its biggest airlines announced on Tuesday they would heed a request from the government in Tokyo not to implement the new rules.

'Normal procedures'
US Colonel Steve Warren at the Pentagon said Washington had "conducted operations in the area of the Senkakus".

"We have continued to follow our normal procedures, which include not filing flight plans, not radioing ahead and not registering our frequencies," he said.

There had been no response from China, he added.

The aircraft, which were unarmed, had taken off from Guam on Monday and the flight was part of a regular exercise in the area, US defence officials said. Both planes later returned to Guam.

The US - which has more than 70,000 troops in Japan and South Korea - had previously said it would not abide by the Chinese-imposed zone.

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No-one should be surprised that the US has acted as it has. Washington's first reaction to China's unilateral extension of its airspace was robust.

The idea that Washington was going to start filing flight plans with China before flying over the East China Sea was a non-starter.

But this is more than just a squabble over flight rules.

Washington is watching China's military build up, its arguments with neighbours, and its "blue-water" ambitions with alarm.

For seven decades the US has been the dominant military power in the region. China has given Washington notice that change is afoot.

Peaceful management of that change is one of the great strategic challenges of the 21st Century.

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US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel called it a "destabilising attempt to alter the status quo in the region". The White House said it was "unnecessarily inflammatory".

Japan has already lodged a strong protest over what it said was an "escalation" by China.

Taiwan, which also claims the islands, expressed regret at the Chinese move and promised that its military would take measures to protect national security.

In its statement announcing the air defence zone on Saturday, the Chinese defence ministry said aircraft must report a flight plan, "maintain two-way radio communications", and "respond in a timely and accurate manner" to identification inquiries.

"China's armed forces will adopt defensive emergency measures to respond to aircraft that do not co-operate in the identification or refuse to follow the instructions," the statement said.

Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airlines said on Tuesday they would stop filing flight plans demanded by China on routes through the zone following a request from the Japanese government.

Singapore Airlines and Australia's Qantas have both said they will abide by the new rules.

However, Australia summoned the Chinese ambassador on Tuesday to express opposition over the zone.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said "the timing and manner" of China's announcement were "unhelpful in light of current regional tensions".
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i did not hear about that, interesting
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I like how China is becoming a military player.

At the same time, I'm for US intervention in South East and East Asia. Keeps things in check.
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I like how China is becoming a military player.

At the same time, I'm for US intervention in South East and East Asia. Keeps things in check.
They are not keeping things in check, they are minding other ppls business and just giving a hand to whoever that likes to bend over and bow down to them.
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Why the fuck can't China just chill out? They already have a gigantic piece of land, why would an island be worth all of this fuss?

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They are not keeping things in check, they are minding other ppls business and just giving a hand to whoever that likes to bend over and bow down to them.
If the US has an agreement with other nations regarding air space in that region, and China suddenly imposes their own regulations over that airspace, it's most certainly their business.

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Why the fuck can't China just chill out? They already have a gigantic piece of land, why would an island be worth all of this fuss?
resources oil etc and because its japan
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imo.. china is just trying to see how much it can get away with. recently with Philippines /Vietnamese navy and now with Japan. Part of the defence zone includes Korean waters also.

it will be nice if everybody in that area leaves asides their mutual issues and gets together to counter china (long shot)

This is kinda already happening with some players, vitnam,india/ japan/india navy's training together. and with this recent development both Japan and Korea bitching together about china's move.
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That's a rather weak arguement for China, citing military action over previously open airspace?

Just let the islands go, turn them into indisputable international ground forever.
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this post is lacking without the photo ! ! ! look at this beauty!!!




Hey China... wanna play?


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Why the fuck can't China just chill out? They already have a gigantic piece of land, why would an island be worth all of this fuss?
It is a show of dominance
when you start being soft and easy-going, other people/countries will start encroaching on your rights and resources
"Don't take a step back because the other side will just take a step forward" kind of mentality


and to be fair...why not this instead?
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and to be fair...why not this instead?
that isn't being fair at all
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all that.... for this:



there is enough ordanance there to blow these islands out of the water and then some...
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that isn't being fair at all
No kidding.. Japan is on a small volcanic island that is literally sinking into the ocean over time
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and to be fair...why not this instead?
Because comparatively, Japan is fucking miniscule.
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Japan likes to wave its dick around when it comes to territorial disputes. While I'm not familiar with regards to the Senkaku Islands, Japan have been in a dispute with Korea over the Liancourt Rocks with little to no historial evidence.
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In other words, we fly where the fuck we want.
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cant believe all this dispute.. what is so great about this island?
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