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On Sunday, December 15, 2013, my prized 2012 Camaro ZL1 took its last breath at 4:47 pm. The car was at the dealer in Georgetown, DE for paint issues (under warranty). It had been locked in the service bay over the weekend. On Sunday afternoon, an employee of the dealership (service writer) entered the locked building, removed the keys to my car from the service department, and went on a joyride. The car was totaled when he lost control and sheared off a telephone pole.
The dealership informed my wife and I on Monday morning at 9:00 a.m. of our loss. Yes, they waited over 16 hours to tell us about our car. I am sure they discussed the incident with their attorneys prior to calling us.
It is now Friday, the car has been officially totaled by the insurance company, and the dealership is telling us it is not their problem. They even refuse to provide my wife and I (and our insurance company) with their insurance information.
I traded in my 2011 SS2 Camaro and sold my 1969 Camaro SS in pristine condition to buy the ZL1. I will never be able to afford another new ZL1, and basically I don't think I should have to be put in the position to have to buy a new one. We trusted the dealership to use vigilance while our car was in their possession. We can't even have charges pressed against their employee for theft because the car was not in OUR possession when stolen.
Something about this whole thing just doesn't seem right. What would you do if this was your baby?
Originally Posted by jhoop302
The latest in the saga of the totaled ZL1 #1635...
The dealer was supposed to be finding me a 2013 ZL1 new. They agreed (or so I thought) that it would be for the best since buying a used one (yes, ME BUYING from them) could only lead to problems down the road.
I have been patient. I finally got a call on Monday (1/6) to come over to look at the car they "found" for me. They were sure I would be pleased. Imagine my surprise when the car they "found" turned out to be a trade-in on a new Stingray. The car was a 2012 ZL1, black like mine, but with a sunroof (which I do not want), 34% more miles than mine, new tires (why did it need new tires at 13,588 miles?), different wheels than mine, non-Chevrolet emblems front and back, and tinted windows. Also absolutely NO documentation on the car, even though I was told the car had more documentation than mine.
I was not even told the mileage on the car until I went out and sat in it for myself. Amazing that we had to go over all the figures first. And yes, I was to buy this car from them. They did offer $4K "feel good" (their words, not mine) money to buy the correct emblems and rims. However, nothing was mentioned about a lower price for the higher mileage.
My wife and I just were not that happy with the car. We offered a counter-offer and let the dealership for them to discuss our proposal.
When we got home last night, we discovered through this forum (thanks, guys) that the car was a TWO owner car, not a one-owner car like we were told. We also found out that the car was hit 3 days after the original owner purchased the car. WE paid $55 for a CarFax report--the dealer didn't even offer that for us. They did have some other report, but it wasn't a CarFax.
So they were basically trying to SELL us a 2-owner vehicle that had previous body damage, along with tinted windows, incorrect emblems, more mileage, the apparent need for new tires, and heaven only knows what else.
They called today to tell us that their original offer to buy THAT car from them was ALL they were going to (or willing to) offer. Take it or leave it. We really did not want a twice-used car with no documentation and do not feel it was a reasonable replacement for our show-winning, pristine, fully documented car with much less mileage.
So folks, almost a month later, I am still making payments on a car I do not have, and certainly cannot drive. And the dealer is unwilling to step up and "do the right thing."
I have retained an attorney, but really, why should I have to pay attorney fees when I am the innocent party in all of this. I did not ask for my car to be stolen by a dealer's employee. just make sure you are keeping track of all your expenses (i.e. rental car etc) and i would get the highest priced rental something like what you were driving, because in the end they will pay for all this. they were at fault PERIOD! I am no lawyer, but they owe you a new car no doubt about it. the contract you entered into was leaving the car in good shape and getting back in equal or better shape (considering you were having work done)
The dealer is upset about the negative press they have received GOOD (jerks), yet they seem unwilling to do anything to remedy the situation. This just means they are idiots to not have settled already
I guess they will get what they deserve, even if I do not get what I fully deserve (my car replaced at no expense to me).
If this hadn't actually happened to me, I don't think I would have believed it.
The story has now been covered in the local newspaper (Cape Gazette), the local news station (WBOC), and a Philadelphia station (NBC10). Simply amazing...
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well dealer says its not stolen cus it was not in the owners possession during the time of accident, so clearly the car must've been in the dealers possession so its their fault so they're liable for everything, id use that point as one of the points to argue with the dealer
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i dont know how it is in usa, but here the car would under the garage policy of the dealer, they would simply claim it under their insurance. if they refuse, you sue for millions.
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That totally sucks for the owner, as he keeps paying monthly bills for a car that doesnt exist.
Should at least fire the employee and offer a new car and apologize.
This story reminds me of a local shop that had their employee/sponsored car overnight and some trouble arised with break-ins overnight and next day the boss said not their responsibility to him. Employee had no way to compensate from employer...
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It's been three weeks since an car dealership employee totaled Debbie and John Hooper's sports car. They're out a car and still making payments on it, and now they doubt the dealership will ever get them a limited-edition Camaro similar to the pristine collectible they once owned.
“We're not asking for a million dollars, we're really not,” said John Hooper of Long Neck, a published author on Camaros who says they are his passion.
In November, John and his wife Debbie took their 2012 Camaro ZL1 to First State Chevrolet of Georgetown to fix an ongoing paint problem. That was the last time they would ever drive the car.
On Dec. 16, the dealership called to inform them a joy-riding employee had taken the sports car out for a spin Dec. 15 and crashed it on Zoar Road.
Now, the Hoopers said, they are just trying to get a car comparable to the brand new vehicle they purchased in 2012 and had meticulously cared for.
“The fact of the matter is we bought the car as a collectible car,” Debbie said. “It was going to go to our granddaughter, and it may have even paid for a year of college.”
Two Camaros the dealership offered as replacements are not comparable to what they lost, John said.
The latest was the same year and model but had 3,000 miles more, and it's wheels were less expensive than those on the original car. Even with a $4,000 cash offering, he said, it didn't compare with what they lost. Then Debbie found out from a Camaro website that the car had previously had two different owners and had been involved in an accident. They definitely weren't interested after that, she said.
First State salesman Chuck Ricker said he's tried to find a car to replace the one totaled by the dealership employee.
“It's a terrible tragedy, and they should be put back where they were,” he said.
Following the crash that totaled the Hoopers' car, Delaware State Police charged Eric Peterson, 42, of Georgetown with careless driving and failure to have insurance identification in possession. Debbie Hooper said police told her that she could not file theft or any other criminal charges against Peterson because the car was in the dealership's possession at the time of the accident.
Bob Hansen, co-owner of First State Chevrolet, said Peterson also would be charged with unauthorized use. A magistrate judge told Hansen that Peterson could not be charged with theft because he was a dealership employee with a key, Hansen said. Peterson no longer works at the dealership, he said.
“He's going to be charged with as much as we could charge him with,” Hansen said.
In 2012, Hansen said the Hoopers bought the brand new, limited-edition vehicle from First State for about $56,000. At the time of the accident, he said, the vehicle had about 10,000 miles on it.
Hansen said he feels confident that there are models with comparable mileage available to replace the Hoopers' car, and he wants to help them find a replacement.
“But if they want to go up to a brand new 2014, it's going to cost them something,” he said. “They're not going to get a brand new car.”
After determining the Camaro was totaled, the Hooper's Geico adjuster estimated the car was worth $44,176 – a much lower price than the nearly $60,000 the couple paid.
Hansen said he has liability insurance, but would not comment on whether that would cover any of the expenses incurred when the Hoopers' car was in the dealership's care.
“I have no further comment,” he said. “We're still negotiating.
In the meantime, Debbie Hooper said they continue to make payments on a vehicle they will never drive again.
She said they met with an attorney this week, but was told they are entitled to no pain and suffering, lawyer or court costs.
“It's going to end up costing us more money if we go forward with the attorney,” she said.
The Hoopers said they have been driving a loaner car from First State with a cracked windshield since their car went in for the paint problem. While they said they appreciate the loaner vehicle, they would rather have their old car back.
“We're losing sleep over this, time off for work and this still isn't resolved,” John Hooper said. “This is so ethically and morally wrong it isn't funny.”
Hansen said he feels confident that there are models with comparable mileage available to replace the Hoopers' car, and he wants to help them find a replacement.
“But if they want to go up to a brand new 2014, it's going to cost them something,” he said. “They're not going to get a brand new car.”
Fuck that shit dealership. They'll be paying for a brand new 2014. They just don't realize it, yet.
Now, the Hoopers said, they are just trying to get a car comparable to the brand new vehicle they purchased in 2012 and had meticulously cared for.
“The fact of the matter is we bought the car as a collectible car,” Debbie said. “It was going to go to our granddaughter, and it may have even paid for a year of college.”
Two Camaros the dealership offered as replacements are not comparable to what they lost, John said.
First State salesman Chuck Ricker said he's tried to find a car to replace the one totaled by the dealership employee.
In 2012, Hansen said the Hoopers bought the brand new, limited-edition vehicle from First State for about $56,000. At the time of the accident, he said, the vehicle had about 10,000 miles on it.
Hansen said he feels confident that there are models with comparable mileage available to replace the Hoopers' car, and he wants to help them find a replacement.
“But if they want to go up to a brand new 2014, it's going to cost them something,” he said. “They're not going to get a brand new car.”
After determining the Camaro was totaled, the Hooper's Geico adjuster estimated the car was worth $44,176 – a much lower price than the nearly $60,000 the couple paid.
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This owners are delusional if they think that car was going to be collectible that would be for their grandaughters education..
It's unclear from the article, but the dealership (or their insurance), owes them the value of the car ($44k), nothing more.. it sounds like the owners are now just dragging the dealer through the mud making them find them a new car as well, and rejecting whatever they bring up.
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A) Still paying monthly fee's for a car that is written off. (He a moron?)
B) Why his attorney has let him continue contact with the dealership?
The only contact I'd have with the dealership, is throwing stones through every window of the building and every car on the lot.
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It's unclear from the article, but the dealership (or their insurance), owes them the value of the car ($44k), nothing more.. it sounds like the owners are now just dragging the dealer through the mud making them find them a new car as well, and rejecting whatever they bring up.
I wouldn't except anything other then a duplicate of the car I had owned either.. I'd drag them through prickle bushes if they tried to SELL me a car with no information, higher mileage, and lots of things I don't want and need to eventually pay money to replace.
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I'd imagine they are still paying for the car as they have not yet settled the insurance claim. Until the claim is paid out they are responsible for the financial contract. I'm also guessing that the dealership doesn't want this accident to hit their fleet/garage policy as their premiums will increase(garage policies as hella EXPENSIVE).
The owner will need to negotiate harder with Geico to try and increase their payout amount. Once that amount is reached the dealership should offer the difference to at least pay off their contract. At least then the couple is not making payments on a car they is totaled. Once that is settled the couple can continue to search for a new ZL1(not through the original cunty stealership though) that meets their expectations.
A) Still paying monthly fee's for a car that is written off. (He a moron?)
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I'd imagine they are still paying for the car as they have not yet settled the insurance claim. Until the claim is paid out they are responsible for the financial contract.
Bingo. They are responsible for that loan until it is paid off - period, regardless of whether the car is drivable or not. If and when the car is written off and the claim is closed, the insurance company forwards a cheque to the finance company and pays it off, payments go away.
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Everybody who is talking tough about the dealership owing them a brand new 2014 would be in for a crash course in the law when it came time to settle your claim. The purpose of insurance is to return you to the state you were in, as best as is possible - not to upgrade you. If your car is a 2012, your insurance is paying for you to get another 2012, like it or not. If your car is new (or has new car replacement), you are paying for an upgrade to a new model despite your car not being.
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The dealership owes them a comparable condition 2012. I don't expect that the guy is obligated to take an accident car or something like that, that's not fair, but to say he should get a brand new one since he took better care of his car than the average one is simply not relevant and no different than ICBC telling you to go get bent when you tell them to buy you a brand new 2014 BMW because nobody could have possibly treated a 2012 as well as you did.
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Everybody who is talking tough about the dealership owing them a brand new 2014 would be in for a crash course in the law when it came time to settle your claim. The purpose of insurance is to return you to the state you were in, as best as is possible - not to upgrade you. If your car is a 2012, your insurance is paying for you to get another 2012, like it or not. If your car is new (or has new car replacement), you are paying for an upgrade to a new model despite your car not being.
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The dealership owes them a comparable condition 2012. I don't expect that the guy is obligated to take an accident car or something like that, that's not fair, but to say he should get a brand new one since he took better care of his car than the average one is simply not relevant and no different than ICBC telling you to go get bent when you tell them to buy you a brand new 2014 BMW because nobody could have possibly treated a 2012 as well as you did.
Mark
While the dealership/insurance might not be financially obligated to upgrade them to a new 2014, the $15,000 difference is going to seem like pittance compared to the negative publicity the dealership is getting and loss of future sales.
Who is going to want to buy cars or service cars at a dealership that hires people who take unauthorized joyrides and total customers' cars?
If the dealership knew what's good for them, they'd just buck up, take the hit, and look like good guys in the eyes of the public.
Just following through that thread,
OP is mentioning that the GM of the dealer is offering him another used ZL1 but with 34% more mileage, multiple owners and accident history (as opposed to his bran new ZL1 that was written off). On top of that he is mentioning that he still has to pay for all sorts of fees and gas guzzler tax?
I would probably go insane lol